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Emirates Chooses SFO Over LAX

Behramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4479 posts, RR: 43
Posted (9 years 3 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3004 times:

Ok the wait is over, put all those rumors to rest as this is official on EKs website under flight schedules :

DXB-SFO route :
0815 DXB 1210 SFO EK 225 345-FJY - 15:55 Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa Su

SFO-DXB route :
2100 SFO 0025 DXB EK 226 345-FJY - 15:25 Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa Su

Schedule is valid from 1st Jan 05 to Mar 26th 05.

So all u SFO spotters start celebrating Big grin

25 replies: All unread, showing first 25:

Brons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2972 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2969 times:

I know why they are doing this.

It's so they can fly their A380 there when they get it! Wink/being sarcastic

Firings, if well done, are good for employee morale.

EK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 3981 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2921 times:

Brons2

I know why they are doing this.

It's so they can fly their A380 there when they get it!

Makes perfect sense to me too!!! Big grin

Qantas and Emirates, connecting the globe 1 stop to 65 destinations

LH477 From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 584 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2890 times:

When is it coming to YYZ?

I thought that second the North American destination after JFK?

Come on you gunners......!!!!!

ETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2860 times:

Is this going to be a non-stop flight? What's the reason behind "Brons2: I know why they are doing this. It's so they can fly their A380 there when they get it!"?

Behramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4479 posts, RR: 43
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2838 times:

Yes all of EKs North American flights will be nonstop!!!

Next on the list are ORD-IAD-YYZ and LAX according to reports. Definitely ORD and YYZ for sure by the end of 2005!!!

Netdhaka From Bangladesh, joined Feb 2004, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2832 times:

It would be interesting to see if they will be able to fill up A380, if they choose to fly A380 to SFO. LAX might seem a better destination for them, as they are new in this market.

CoTXDFW777AA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 321 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2828 times:

Do you think they will create a semi alliance to feed passengers from United's network. Why don't they serve IAH they already are good with CO and IAH has alot of oil traffic.

-COTXDFW777AA

Texas- it's like a whole different country!

EK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 3981 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2784 times:

ETStar

Is this going to be a non-stop flight? What's the reason behind "Brons2: I know why they are doing this. It's so they can fly their A380 there when they get it!"?

SFO is ready to handle the A380-800 and LAX haven't made any changes to handle such an aircraft let alone the B747-400.

I hope this clears things up Big grin

Qantas and Emirates, connecting the globe 1 stop to 65 destinations

FA4UA From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 812 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2752 times:

OK, so the A345 gets in at a bit past noon to SFO and then sits for nearly 9 hours? That doesn't sound right. Do they hop from SFO to another location? Just seems like a poor use of a very expensive asset. Most wide bodies, after an international run, can be turned in two to three hours without any problems... so why the 9 hour sit?

FA4UA

The debate continues... Starwood or Hyatt... which is better

ND From Belgium, joined Feb 2004, 280 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2743 times:

I heard IAH was on the list...

ND - Hated By Many, Confronted By None

PA110 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1952 posts, RR: 26
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2671 times:

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OK, all you armchair airline CEO's out there... There is no way EK will generate sufficient traffic from SFO (my home city) to fill an A380. This is unfortunately the typical adolescent wishful thinking so prevalently found here on a.net. The A345 is perfect for the route because the capacity is a much better fit with the anticipated traffic. Why SFO? Bechtel & Chevron. Why have a plane sit 9 hours? Ask QF and NZ... they've been doing it for years at LAX.

Behramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4479 posts, RR: 43
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2666 times:

The A 380 of EKs can only be filled up from NYC and LAX and maybe just maybe ORD...it all depends too onward alliance connections offered by CO (from EWR)-UAL (from ORD and LAX) etc.

Yes the A 345 is perfect for IAD-SFO and YVR...however I would prefer the A 346IGWs instead of the A 345s for ORD and YYZ launch flights as they have the potential to fill in the extra seats on the A 346!!!

BN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5319 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2539 times:

"SFO is ready to handle the A380-800 and LAX haven't made any changes to handle such an aircraft let alone the B747-400."

What the heck does this mean??? LAX is the #1 Pax 747-400 airport in North America.
4-5 Daily QANTAS
3-4 Daily Korean Air + 1-777
3-4 Daily JAL
3-4 Daily Air New Zealand + 763s
4- Daily UAL + many 777s/763/76s
2-3 Daily British
2 Daily Asiana
2 Daily China Airlines
1-2 Daily Lufthansa + A340
1-2 Daily Air France soon to be 1 744 + 2 777s
1-2 Daily EVA Air
2 Daily Cathay Pacific (A340-600 being replaced)
Daily Virgin Atlantic + A340
Daily KLM
Daily Singapore + A340-500 + 777-200 (both daily
Daily THAI ( going to 4 wkly)
Daily Air China
Daily ANA (no 777 lately)
Daily NWA
Daily Philippine + A340
6 wkly Malaysian
4 wkly Air Pacific

Plus Air India 744 coming this year!

That's handling quite a few 747-400s in my book!

BN747

"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson

Sparky747 From Ireland, joined Feb 2004, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2473 times:

Emirates always seem to park the aircraft up after the long trips. They did this in SYD and MEL before the introduction of the AUK flights. My guess is that it has to do with the flight connections in DXB. Most EK flights leave DXB at or around 0800 and then again at 0200. The arrivals into DXB are then timed at or around 0000 and again at or around 0500. If you are at DXB airport around these times then you will see what I mean. It gets very busy!

Behramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4479 posts, RR: 43
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2461 times:

The main reason for those SFO timings is due to the best connections avbl for EKs tgt mkt which are the pax of the Indian Subcontinent region and neighbouring Arab states and East/Southern Africa!!!

EK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 3981 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2376 times:

BN747

"SFO is ready to handle the A380-800 and LAX haven't made any changes to handle such an aircraft let alone the B747-400."

What the heck does this mean??? LAX is the #1 Pax 747-400 airport in North America.

Maybe I should of clarified my self on this one....I have read about the bays at LAX being very tight and when handling the B747-400 aircraft they are towed into the bay on arrival.....

Sorry about that BN747 I'm a fan of the B747-400 too! Big grin

Qantas and Emirates, connecting the globe 1 stop to 65 destinations

SV777KiloAlpha From Saudi Arabia, joined Dec 2003, 266 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2330 times:

A quick question:

What would the flight plan be like? Will they fly over Europe then cross the north Atlantic and into Canada, then north western US?
I can't see how they can do that in just 16 hrs? LHR-SFO takes 11hrs!!

Big grin

HZ-AKA

PPL since 2006

Rednose From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2002, 46 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2275 times:

According to the great circle mapper:

DXB (25°15'18"N 55°21'51"E) SFO (37°37'08"N 122°22'30"W) 7041 nm

This route takes then virtually over the North Pole, crossing Russia, the polar sea and Canada on the way.

Ts-ior From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3306 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2118 times:

EK will fly to SFO westbound,across the Atlantic,or eastbound,across the Pacific ? I bet on the first probability no ?

As739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 5834 posts, RR: 23
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2075 times:

FA4UA...many carriers have their planes sit for a ong time. Why does it make no sense? If the plane turns around and leaves its get into Dubai at a bad time. NZ will do the same thing when they starts in June. CX currently sits 12 hrs. NW NRT flight sits 6 hours. Before the scedule change SQ had a 772 sitting for 12 hours. Thats just in San Francisco. Look at LAX with all the Qantas,Air Pacific, and Air New Zealand planes sitting like all day. Its all about schedule.

Why is it such a suprise SFO got Dubai over LAX? They stated a year ago that JFK and SFO were going to be first and everyone chatted about it. Now they decide on SFO and people are surprised?

ASSFO

"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"

Amhilde From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 643 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1915 times:

Sorry airhead question here but i dont want to sort out the math this early this morning- but what are the flight times on this route?

Hang on tightly, Let go lightly

RareBear From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 553 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1825 times:

Based on the distance stated above, I would expect a flight duration of 14-15 hours. Any other routing would increase this time.

Illegitimus non carborundum

Kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 11996 posts, RR: 36
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1763 times:

It's actually written beside it, on the first post: 15h55 out, 15h25 back.

LEGACYINS From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1866 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1613 times:

As As739x stated, the EK routes were announced last year to include JFK and SFO only. There is nothing on their web page specifically stating LAX, IAH or other N.American sites. Yes, there is a site stating possible future route expansion but nothing definite.

Besides some individuals beliefs, the world does not rotate around LAX. SFO Is a separate destination and has nothing to do with LAX. This EK flight really does not have to do much with the companies based in the Bay Area but with the diverse populations from the sub continent. DXB Is a short flight from India/Pakistan/Yemen. These are the individuals who are going to be on this aircaft.

I'm looking forward to the flight touching down on SFO's 28s

John@SFO

Planesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4096 posts, RR: 12
Reply 25, posted (9 years 3 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1563 times:

QF009 from Melbourne and Singapore to London Heathrow arrives at 05:25 and then departs at 22:00. This means it sits on the ground for 16 hours and 35 minutes. It always happens at major airports.

-Stephen

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