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Want The Jumpseat After 9/11? Read This!  
User currently offlineUTA_flyingHIGH From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 50
Posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6288 times:

I am getting a lot of emails after putting this one up :

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It's no the first time, and even though I enjoy getting feedback from my pics, I don't have the time to reply individually for 20/30 emails stating the same thing.
So I'm creating this thread so that I can refer to it for future correspondance.

1) France have the particularity of still allowing 3rd party cockpit visits in flight; in most other countries, laws have been passed to make this illegal.
So unfortunately, if you are a US or UK resident and do not work for the airline, forget about it. You make get a cockpit visit on the ground, but not whilst airborne.

2) Even if you fly AF, don't expect to have it unless you can prove you are one of the following :
- Non-rev airline employee
- Private/student/etc... pilot with aviation-related FOID.
Personal relation to an AF crewmember can help, but it's not a guarantee.

3) Expect to undergo some questioning from the Captain to assess whether you are a bona fide enthuisast or not.

4) Even if you do get it, the flight crew might not grant you the right to take pictures. The fact that I get nice flightcrews on nearly every occasion is pure luck.

5) The Captain is the boss onboard and therefore the jumpseat is at his or her discretion; the final word thus resides with him/her.
So if you want it, ask the skipper directly.

Finally, you may be asked to leave your belongings in the cabin and of course, there are general rules of etiquette while in the seat; do not speak unless spoken to, do not create distractions and strap on your harness as soon as in the seat and do not unbuckle until told to.
Expect that you will not get the usual meal service, either.

I don't mean to be rude by creating a generic answer, but my mailbox is clogging up  Smile

UTA






Fly to live, live to fly - Air France/KLM Flying Blue Platinum, BMI Diamond Club Gold, Emirates Skywards
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User currently offlineLondoncenter From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6093 times:

Not sure if I got it because of my job but I flew SAS into Copenhagen last year and spent almost the entire journey on the flight deck chatting with two very friendly pilots, one of whom even pointed out his house on the approach!!

User currently offline747SPA330MD11 From Germany, joined Dec 2003, 100 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6014 times:

Hi,
I asked several times at Lufthansa, Hapag-Lloyd, KLM and Korean Air
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definitely no chance anymore I guess

best regards
jan



Save the 747 SP !!
User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17076 posts, RR: 66
Reply 3, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 5927 times:

Have flown in jump seat on Malmö Aviation since 9/11. Actually I visited the cockpit after landing once and talked about jump seating.

Captain: "So why didn't you ask? We enjoy visits."
Me: "But I thought after 9/11.."
Captain: "Well yeah... But we're a Swedish domestic airline, for crying out loud. The threat environment isn't really THAT bad."
Me (kicking myself): "Ok..."

Next time, I was up there for most of the flight, including a kick-ass landing at Bromma.



"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots."
User currently offlineSK973 From Sweden, joined Mar 2004, 327 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5717 times:

I've found that it still more up to the captain if they want visitors in the front than any rules after 9/11.

Going back and forth between Stockholm and Singapore I've been on jumpseat in one SAS A340 and a Swiss MD-11.

But on an AF 777 the captain simply said they didn't want visitors there. The message delivered by an F/A who repeatedly said how sorry she was and actually said that this is a particularly grumpy captain! LOL Big grin

I've been thinking of asking on one of the 744 (BA,QF,TG,LH) since I've never been in the cockpit of a 747 but those times I've been too tired there late at night to ask...

It might help that I'm a nonreving airline employee who spends a lot of time at work behind the sticks(not the real planes though...  Big grin ).


User currently offlineAs739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6167 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5536 times:

OK..so if I understand correct AF will still allow per Captain approval,yes? I fly jumpseat on AS all the time, but being an empoyee of course its easy. I want to fly to Europe this summer and I useally take AF. Guess I'll have to ask!

ASSFO



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User currently offlineGoomba From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 309 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5352 times:

I'm on AF BOS-CDG (A330) on September 4th. I guess I will have to ask the captain if I can jumpseat.

User currently offlineSpotterboy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5245 times:

I've been on the jumpseat after 9/11 too...

4U 765 ... Germanwings flight from ZRH to CGN. Wasn't a problem to get the permission at all, but I won' tell my trick  Wink/being sarcastic

regards, Florian


User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3999 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5136 times:
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I've flown up front on AF twice. In fact it was the ticket counter agent who gave me permission. They actually give you a boarding pass that says jumpseat. It was great. THe pilots were very friendly.


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User currently offlineMeister808 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 973 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5075 times:

Really? That is awesome. Can you do that in U.S. airspace, or does it have to be outside of that?

-Meister



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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3999 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5039 times:
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yeah I'm prtty sure its just over in Europe do you get that treatment. I love it. Every time I fly them over there if its not a long flight I try and get up in the pit


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User currently offlineJumboJet From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4999 times:

several months ago, I was on a delta flight from atl into lga. The flight seemed at least 95% full. I was hanging out at the gate waiting to board when it seemed that an off duty delta pilot requested the jump seat to lga. It seemed that the gate agent/supervisor, after checking credentials and verifying employment, OK'd the request.

Once on the plane and sitting in first class, I witnessed the off duty pilot enter the flight deck. sometime later, right before push back, the off duty pilot exited the flight deck (didnt look to happy) and went to a seat in coach.

It was my assumption that its Delta's policy not to allow anyone, not even employees, to ride inside the flight deck if your not the F/O or Capt working the flight?


User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3999 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4950 times:
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I've noticed lots of pilots who request the jumpseat, but if there is a seat open in coach (thats not a middle seat) they will go back there and sit once the door is shut and no more pax coming down. A little more comfortable, plus they dont get the rush like others do from sitting up htere day in and day out.


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User currently offlineCarduelis From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2001, 1586 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4817 times:


A lot of the restrictions imposed on carriers was created by a foreign country so don't blame the respective airlines for some 'third party' intervention!





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User currently offlineDLH404 From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4599 times:

I sat on the jumseat on AF023 JFK-CDG for takeoff and some while inflight, then moving back into business class  Smile
Flightcrew was really amazing, they made jokes n stuff. Liked that I was there, they said it can be really boring on long flights.

I also have to say that some friends of AF brought me up there. Without their help it would have been really really difficult I guess.
But Air France is always worth a try, good to have some ID or business card with you.

Bye

Jan


User currently offlineFkruiver From Netherlands, joined Apr 2000, 55 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4564 times:

With KLM no chance....
only flightcrew is allowed.


User currently offlineGlobeTrekker From Netherlands, joined Dec 2003, 851 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4157 times:

Fkruiver is so right; only flightcrew allowed and I should know I am part of KLM groundcrew at an outstation and I am not allowed. The only time I see the cockpit is when I am working and have to deliver the loadsheet to the captain on board prior to departure.

That's just the way it is....

Happy Flying all,

GlobeTrekker



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User currently offlineAFROTC From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 191 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4028 times:

hehe Go airforce, for me its an easy thing i had pilots actually ask me if i wanted an incentive flight. Im looking forward to one next month actually. Being a cadet has its perks....


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User currently offlineUTA_flyingHIGH From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 50
Reply 18, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3750 times:

After reading the replies, it appears that AF is the #1 airline when it comes to giving out jumpseat privileges (at least amongst the majors).
 Big thumbs up to AF flightcrews for not giving in to stupid regulations and relying on common sense instead.

UTA



Fly to live, live to fly - Air France/KLM Flying Blue Platinum, BMI Diamond Club Gold, Emirates Skywards
User currently offlineYegger From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3383 times:

I think this link is very relevant, and will certainly answer some questions about this topic. Too bad it's gone this far, and that this option is slowly slipping away.........

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/TRAVEL/03/19/cockpit.doors.ap/index.html


User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3212 times:

It was my assumption that its Delta's policy not to allow anyone, not even employees, to ride inside the flight deck if your not the F/O or Capt working the flight?

Naw, not even close.....all Delta/Delta Connection pilots have full jumpseat priveledges within Delta. They used to not be able to (early 90's), but I routinely see guys riding the jumpseat...oftentimes it's the only one available! He left the cockpit probably because the Captain said there was a seat in the back he could have...many pilots prefer that, as they don't have to sit in a jumpseat and observe sterile cockpit, etc etc, no snack....stuff they've been doin for the past 3-4 days. I've been in the cockpit before p/b, seen pilots come up, show their credentials, then just go plop down in back..normal thing!

Beautiful shots though..as soon as I get my passport, I'll get out there and try it myself...flash the shiney non-rev ID  Big thumbs up

DeltaGuy


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