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Any Way For An Airline Employee To Get Fired?  
User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6422 posts, RR: 17
Posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6679 times:

Looking at all the things airline employees seem to get away with in this thread:
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1459389/4/


just got me wondering,

What exactly has to happen for an employee to get fired? I mean, I know the usual stuff, like absenteeism, drug use, bla, bla, bla...but I mean as far as smart-mouthing to deserving pax. Big grin


Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
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User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
Reply 1, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6615 times:

2 x Missed trips will get you fired, stealing company property will get you fired. The union cannot help you in either of these cases.

Nor should they

J


User currently offlineUa777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6591 times:

Giving the finger to the camera at customs........hehehe Smile/happy/getting dizzy (no body does it better than AA!)



UA777222



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User currently offlineBobb From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6501 times:

"What exactly has to happen for an employee to get fired?"

Look, if those smartmouthing ACTUALLY happened, am sure they are rare. Then am sure a lot of us say things in our heads but we won't actually say it in front of passengers. So a little venting in an Internet forum is actually an healthy thing.

If a supervisor caught someone smartmouthing in front of a passenger, he may get a warning, and after a few repeat performances he then may get fired. But no (few) employees are gonna be that dumb. If he did, he got some REAL issues no matter where he works.

By the way, supervisors understand the nature of the job and knows agent has to put up with unreasonable passengers and will let it go if the employee vents a little in the seclusion of the break room.

As passengers, there is a tendency to look down on airline workers. Don't, allow us do our jobs, then we will be fine.


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13547 posts, RR: 62
Reply 4, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6409 times:
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Also, you can't really get into trouble for being a smart-ass. Being openly rude or hostile is one thing, but the "Do you know who I am?" followed by the agent's "Ladies and Gentlemen, if you can identify the man at the podium, please let us know - he doesn't know who he is" doesn't necessarily constitute being openly rude to the customer.

Either way, you'd have to get several instances of openly rude or hostile treatment of customers before you'd be in for any disciplinary action - and even then, it wouldn't be termination.



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User currently offlineM404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2225 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6286 times:
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Brokering illegal tickets/passes will do it.

Any racial "harassment" will do it.

Being stupid and obnoxious while Non Reving works good.

Calling in sick and bragging about it to the passenger next to you has done it - the passenger was the employees new manager. Gone.

Causing bags to misconnect three times gets their attention.

Fighting with fellow employees gets results.

Hitting an aircraft with a 2 tone tractor works.

Telling a manager he's a twit works unless you have LOTS of proof but that still won't get your job back as then he's got you for insubordination.

Begging your manager while at the bar to drive you to the local whorehouse for a party then calling in sick the next day to that same manager HAS worked.

Pitching stolen toilet paper over the security fence at night to your family and getting surrounded by the police gets action.

Using your passes in your "other job" as a pimp to bring girls in over the state line helps.

Shagging your managers wife just gets real complicated.

Marrying his daughter then cheating on her in front of the Dad aint too bright but it does work.

Having the casino call your boss to pick you up because you threw up and passed out on the blackjack table WHILE wearing your uniform may not get you that ride but you will get canned.

Man I could go on forever but these are a few tried and proven ways I've seen.






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User currently offlineCV640 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 952 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6197 times:

Being sick 3 times in a year will get you the axe at my airline. Along with the usual stuff.

User currently offlineFreshlove1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6145 times:

It is really hard to get canned at an airline, as long as you show up and do your job, kind of, they will keep you. There is really no proof of someone doing something wrong as long as the plane departs on time, and thats the key. Where I work it really dosen't matter what you do in the spare time between flights, as long as when one comes in your there to work it. The only real way to get canned where I work is to not show up for work and not call to tell them you won't be there, but even then it has to happen 3 times before your out. In my opinion they are way to laid back on enforcing the rules

User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6076 times:

Calling into work sick then non-revving on the same day to some destination WILL get you the axe for sure. Ouch! Thats something that you could never get away with in this industry. The Pass Bureau keeps track of every flight you took as a non-rev.


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User currently offlineSFOFF From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5981 times:


Sleeping or giving the appearance of sleeping.

Drinking alcohol or being in a liquor store or bar while in the company uniform.

Being convicted of a felony

Most employees get canned as a result of "unacceptable dependability" aka calling in sick too much.




"Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit drinking"
User currently offlineNwa744tpa From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 67 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5921 times:

There are a few ways, but fortunately airline personnel as a whole are in the business because they actually have the ability to diplomatically correct a problem while following guidelines. Pax, on the other hand, are too diverse to lump in any one category. Some people yell at each other at home, in public etc. and see no reason not to verbally or physically abuse strangers in an airport setting. There is an ample supply of people waiting to get into airline jobs, so weeding out the bad ones usually starts with the application process. Not to say I haven't seen a few that needed a reality check, but by setting good examples you can usually lead by example. Obvious infractions-yelling at someone in a position to do something about it (supervisor/manager). We're all human too so before you lay into one of us, remember 99% will try and help you before we lose it too  Smile

User currently offlineFedExIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 77 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5896 times:

sleeping on the job? Nothing like taking a short nap while waiting on bags.

User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
Reply 12, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5898 times:

If you work at Fedex, then breaking into the cockpit on a flight, and welcoming the Captain and First officer on board with an axe also seems to be a good pay to get fired.

User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5795 times:

Getting fired from an airline is like getting fired from anywhere else.

Dishonesty - stealing, lying etc
Drugs use
Over Indulgence in Alcohol, so much that it affects your performance
Violence etc

The latter three are strictly "Zero Tolerance" in my company. I think working for an airline can me more challenging that most places. At times perfection is expected of you. Can you imagine having a terrible day at home, problems with the family, the girlfriend, whatever the case may be and you have to come to work and smile for a customer. Worse yet, you have to calm down an irrate, absolutely unreasonable, incredibly annoying, idiotic passenger? And you yourself being upset from before? It takes a lot. But we do it.. Hats off to everyone in the customer service industry.

I think i strayed from the topic.. OH yeah.. we can get fired by doing wrong thing... LOL  Smile



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User currently offlineJFKviaPHX From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 194 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5744 times:

Driving away from a plane after you finish fueling while still being hooked up to that aircraft. It's been done before. (Not by me).

User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5699 times:

cv640:

You mean calling in sick three times will get you fired! Good way to motivate people to come in when they are sick and spread their germs to co-workers. Or a good way for someone to get hurt or hurt someone else. I'm sure if an individual did get terminated for this they could find an attorney to take their case.


User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5685 times:

Smuggling drugs on your companies aircraft is another good way to get canned. Also a good way to end up in a cell for the next 10-25 years.

User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13547 posts, RR: 62
Reply 17, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5662 times:
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While I can understand the company's desire to reduce absenteeism, it occurs to me that it would be difficult to terminate an employee for calling in sick, provided that they were using contractually-earned sick time.

If you're under a collective bargaining agreement and have sick time as an earned benefit, use of that benefit should not result in disciplinary action.

I can see terminating someone for excessive absences if they don't have anymore sick leave, or if they don't have it as a contractually-earned benefit - but otherwise, using sick time should be no worse than using any other benefit.



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User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5582 times:

So, what you're saying is that writing a thank you note about the flight attendant taking the time to sit and have a cocktail with a passenger on my long flight was NOT a good idea? It's actually happened...and yes, they got the axe...

User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5540 times:

F/As, like pilots, are supposed to be sober on the job. That means NO alcohol, not a drop.
If the F/A had a soda while the passenger had a cocktail would probably have done nothing, but alcohol is a big nono.



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User currently offlineCV640 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 952 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5494 times:

Our sick policy is three excused times in 12 calender months. An excsued one is one with a doctors note and meeting with the base maneger. If you don't do both you get a miss trip, 2 in a year and your fired. 3 sick call in a year and you can be terminated because the company feels you are not physically able to do the job. Whether or not you could win a law suit is questionable, at least that is what the ALPA attorneys feel. They believe you could, but no one wants to risk it. Especially with it taking years to get to court and in that time being unemployed. Being fired in this industry can make getting another job almost impossible. So, again, no one wants to risk it.

Our contract of course has sick time in it, but no language preventing what is going on right now. The only language we have is that the compnay must reimburse us for all cost of the doctors visit; co pay, etc.


User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5475 times:

Doing cookies on the ramp in the lecktro and getting caught will do it.

Hitting an aircraft with ground equipment will do it.

being late repeatedly will do it.

Being rude while non-reving will do it.


User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 22, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5437 times:

I guy I worked with years ago, parked a 727 at the wrong gate and caused a lot of problems for ground support as well as passengers waiting to board. He was givin three days off. The first day back he did it again(no kidding!). Exit one employee....
safe



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User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7483 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 5362 times:

SFOFF,Can't walk into a liquor store in uniform? I don't see why not,you're not consuming . I do it all the time on my way home from work - albiet not from an airline.......


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User currently offlineFritzi From United Arab Emirates, joined Jun 2001, 2762 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 5321 times:

Lying about technical issues conserning a specific aircraft will also get you canned!

25 Fritzi : A FA falling asleep in the Galley while on duty. Been there, done that! Signed, Airlinelover
26 LMP737 : cv640: I take it this means three separate "incidents" and not three days in a row. You know what amazes me about airline management. They harass you
27 Nonrevman : Lots of things could push the final button, but I would say that failing a drug test would be one of the quickest ways to go out the door.
28 SFOFF : >>>SFOFF,Can't walk into a liquor store in uniform? I don't see why not,you're not consuming . I do it all the time on my way home from work - albeit
29 Post contains images 737captain : I'm sure backing a couple planes into each other will get you fired pretty quickly too.
30 Usdcaguy : One thing that might get you fired is not realizing that the seventies are over and that costs must be cut to support families flying to MCO for $150
31 Post contains images WidgetBoi : Joining the mile high club while on duty will probably get you fired jeremy
32 Srbmod : These are all incidents I either witnessed, saw the aftermath of or had related to me: Punching a passenger in retaliation for being punched by them i
33 Learjet23 : Giving your first class pax a "DIRTY SANCHEZ" will do it.... Coming to work with your drawers full of crabs from that night in Tijuana will help. Putt
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