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User currently offlineAviationfreak From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1166 posts, RR: 40
Posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6847 times:

DC-8 super 70's, DC-8's reengined with CFM56's. I believe only Delta and United had them in their fleet.

I read somewhere that their range was very impressive. I'd like to know what exactly the performance of the DC-8 Super 70 is/was. And:
- How many of them were there and are still around?
- Which airlines besides Delta and United used them?
- Which airlines use them currently?
I guess many of them are converted to freighters.

What is your opinion about the DC-8 super 70's? Have you ever flown with one? How was it like?

I personally think it is an awesome plane to see. Much more beautiful than the original DC-8. What a few new engines can do isn't it?

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User currently offlineBroke From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 1322 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6784 times:

110 DC-8-61's, -62's, -63's were converted to -70 series.
The modification included beefing up the wing at the pylons (-71's only), replacing the pylons, re-engining to the CFM-56-2, and replacing the turbocompressor system with an air cycle system for pressurization, heating, and cooling.
The airplanes maintained their original weights, but had significant increases in range, and even today meet the most stringent proposed noise standards.
Delta converted 13 DC-8-61's to -71's and United converted 20; other operators that made conversions included Flying Tigers, Air Canada, the Armee D'Air (-72's) and Trans America.
UPS has 49 -70's series and some these were converted to -70's after they were obtained; UPS has not operated their -70's internationally since 1998.
A couple of -72's are operated by private companies or governments with corporate interiors and these airplanes can fly between any two airports in the world.


User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6770 times:


Hi!

Infact the Super 70 was a awesome airplane and very impressive the way the re-engining process came. Beside Delta and United I know that Trans America also did the convertion, French Air Force also did the convertion and UPS also. Besides those operators some governments did that too. I still think that convertion gave some more years to the good old DC-8 and has a cargoship it is still a good option.
At this moment most are cargo planes and there are a few private ones.
regards


User currently offlineDc8jet From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 326 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6696 times:

Some other airlines that operated the DC-8-71/73 were Air Sweden, Translift,
Overseas National, Icelandair, Condor, Minerve, Aire d Evasions, Kenya Airways, Spirit of America. Freighters were operated by Air Canada, TNT, Flagship Express, Lufthansa/German Cargo, Evergreen, Mexicana, Vasp, Air India, Fast Air, Lan Chile, Tampa, Jet Fret, Zambia Airways.

I think all but 2 of the 71/73 have been converted to freighters and quite a few are still in service.


User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4499 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6582 times:

I flew on a DL DC8-71 ATL-EWR back in the 1980s.

We sat in coach, just in front of the wing and my recollection was:

1) It was pretty quiet
2) The windows were nice and big
3) The way the rows were spaced, some rows ended up not having a window!


User currently offlineCapital146 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2125 posts, RR: 44
Reply 5, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6516 times:

I remember seeing a Translift DC-8-73 have an aborted take-off at MAN in 1993 whilst departing on a passenger charter to IBZ.

When were the srs 71's retired from passenger service with DL and UA? I remember they were still around in 1985/86.




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User currently offlineLuv767s From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6455 times:

I don't know for sure when UA retired them but they still flew the DC8s in 1990 b/c I flew it from IAD-LAX and it was a great flight. I remember there being tons of room in coach and huge windows with curtains. I also liked how the baggage was loaded from under the aircraft with this elevator thing. I'm sure it wasn't much later than 1990 that they retired them.


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User currently offlineSpike From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1170 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6408 times:

It just looks spookily like the A340-500... Call me old fashioned but I know which one I prefer!  Smile

User currently offlineNWAFA From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1893 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6407 times:

I had the great pleasure of flying twice on UA's to HNL out of SFO. I LOVE the DC8...I think that may be one of two of my fav A/C!


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User currently offlineSpike From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1170 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6394 times:

And that is exactly what a 757 with 4 engines would look like. I agree with Roberta, drop the 7e7, and go for another four (or was it three?).

User currently offlineSpike From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1170 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6367 times:

Spike's DC-8 flights:

Zambia Airways (62s) - London to Lusaka (via Rome, Itsanbul, Nairobi - engine fire).
UTA (63s) Malta to Paris
Alitalia (62s) Lusaka - Luanda - Rome.
United Airlines (63s) - Los Angeles to Denver

Always wanted to go on the World Airways DC-8-63 that I used to see at LGW.


User currently offlineDAirbus From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 593 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6186 times:
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I spoke with a UPS pilot a couple of years ago and he said he loved to fly it. He also said he had never taken off with a full load of fuel. I don't know the exact range numbers though.


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User currently offlineBrons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3015 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6168 times:

Somebody posted on here a while back that they had flown LAS-SYD on a -72.


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User currently offlineASTROJET707 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 299 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6134 times:

I used to fly UAs DC8 70's in and out of DEN. They would rocket down the runway on take-off. My last flight was BOS-DEN-SEA in 1989.

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User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6839 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6107 times:

"When were the srs 71's retired from passenger service with DL and UA?"

UA was last: Oct 1991 I think.


User currently offlineDAirbus From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 593 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6077 times:
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Delta's last DC-8 flight was in 1989. Not sure about the month though.


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User currently offlineFlyguyclt From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 537 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6061 times:

I flew with my father from CLE to ATL ...Delta Air Lines flight 981. It was a DC8-60(something) before the engine refit. November, 1982. We were late to the airport and got the last 2 seats in the house as is was Thanksgiving day weekend. In the last row of the airplane. Seats A and B is where we sat. Those engines were loud, the plane was packed and fried chicken was served for dinner. Ah, the good old days. And the days of when Dad paid !

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User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6839 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6018 times:

"A couple of -72's are operated by private companies or governments with corporate interiors and these airplanes can fly between any two airports in the world."

So they were fitted with the tankage needed to fly 20000 km nonstop? Why?


User currently offlineMia777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2002, 1165 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6004 times:


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Are the above two airplanes examples of the aircraft you guys are referring to in the post? If that is the case, I have always loved how Tampa's DC-8s had much bigger engines than the "wimpier" looking -8s of Arrow (below), etc.


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User currently offlineRareBear From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 553 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5924 times:

There was a ATI DC-8-70 into CHS yesterday, on a flight from Senegal.

I flew on DL's -70 in the late 80's from ATL to DFW and on to LAX. I sat at the back of the fuselage, and when we encountered some moderate turbulence out of DFW, you could actually see the fuselage twist. It was an erie sensation.



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User currently offline411A From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1826 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5797 times:

As to performance/range, was told by a Flying Tiger pilot years ago that a DC8-73F could depart HKG at max weight, climb directly to FL330 (unusual for a heavy freighter) and fly nonstop to HNL...about 9.5 hours.
Quite impressive for the time.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5768 times:

Did Tigers actually pay for the conversions?

My understanding was that they retired the -60's they had and then a few years later bought the -70's



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User currently offlinePilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3150 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5755 times:

I had the pleasure of getting pretty close to UPS tonight as they start up. I love the sound those CFM-56s on those things make when they start. You can feel it in your gut.


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User currently offlineAnsettAW From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 205 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5723 times:

I loved the DC-8-70 and miss seeing them in the sky. I was in high school when I took my first DC-8 flight in 1988 on UA from ORD-PDX. I spoke to a retired UA pilot recently on a UA RJ flight and he called the DC-8 the "Cadillac of the Sky". He said it was his favorite plane to pilot.


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User currently offlineAzmi From Lebanon, joined Nov 2003, 111 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5659 times:

Saudia flew one.





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25 Post contains links Jetjack74 : Here's a site that has all the info you would want on the Big 8! http://www.dc8.org/
26 Aviationfreak : I did a little research myself. Had to dig in a pile of old aviation magazines. The DC-8-72 had a pretty impressive range at his time. With extra fuel
27 ASTROJET707 : Anyone care to comment why the DC8 is still around as an all cargo jet vs. the B707-320C or B707-420C. Is it simply the volume of the cargo area of th
28 Spoon04 : I remember distinctly an Eastern flight I made back in '72 from CLE to MIA abord a DC-8 (Series 72 or 73). What an absolutely wonderful aircraft in e
29 IMissPiedmont : Spoon04, your 1972 DC-8 flight was almost certainly a -61 of UA. The -70s were not around then.
30 Spoon04 : IMissPiedmont, right you are re the -61, but the airline I flew WAS, in fact, EA from CLE to MIA.
31 LTBEWR : Another past operator of DC-8's both -63's and -73's was Transamerica, at different times in late 70's to mid-1980's for charter pax, US military pax
32 Cody : I am looking at some interior shots of a United DC-8 that I took in 1990. This particular aircraft does not appear to have curtains for window shades.
33 AnsettAW : There were no curtains on the DC-8 UA I flew on in '88. Just regular modern window shades. The seats were staggered, though, so that some rows did not
34 L-188 : The Hawaiian Air -60 I flew on in 91 had shades too. Think it was a common retrofit.
35 RayChuang : One thing though: were the DC-8 Super 70 planes that UA operated ever flew on USA transcon routes such as SFO-JFK or LAX-JFK?
36 Douglasdc8 : Hello All, As you can tell by my Username, I'm a fan of the DC-8. United had (as I recall)29 of them when I first worked in Newark Airport in 1987. Fi
37 Timz : "were the DC-8 Super 70 planes that UA operated ever flew on USA transcon routes such as SFO-JFK or LAX-JFK?" Suspect not. Maybe SFO to IAD, EWR or BO
38 Dc8jet : If anyone flew LAS-SYD on a 72 it wasn't on a commercial aircraft. No airlines operated the 72 series. The Saudia 72 was an executive aircraft. Easter
39 Milesrich : The Super 60 Series DC-8's delivered to United and Delta had window shades. Only the Series 10-20-30-40-50's, the original Eights, had curtains. The S
40 LongHauler : Milesrich, Some of the later -50s had shades too. As the last -50s that Air Canada received had the same newer interiors that ACs -61s and -63s were e
41 Lymanm : Douglasdc8, thanks for the great post! What a memory you have! To me, the DC-8 epitomized my childhood years that inspired my passion for aviation, al
42 Cody : Douglasdc8, The picture I took shows coach seats on this particular DC-8 being a brownish-reddish with multi-colored bars down the middle. First Class
43 Aviationfreak : Hi there! I have a new question. I read in your BTW very interesting posts that Delta and United for example used the -70s for domestic flights. Where
44 Zippyjet : Regarding reply #6 by Luv I remember there being tons of room in coach and huge windows with curtains. Quite interesting. I was under the assumption t
45 Post contains images B747skipper : The DC8-71 was not adapted for long oceanic routes (lack of range). Its payload was also very poor since it was limited to same max takeoff weight as
46 Timz : In 1989 UA had DC-8 nonstops from SFO to BOS-EWR-IAD, and LAX to the same three.[Edited 2004-03-22 19:47:28]
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