Aviationfreak From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1166 posts, RR: 38 Posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7306 times:
DC-8 super 70's, DC-8's reengined with CFM56's. I believe only Delta and United had them in their fleet.
I read somewhere that their range was very impressive. I'd like to know what exactly the performance of the DC-8 Super 70 is/was. And:
- How many of them were there and are still around?
- Which airlines besides Delta and United used them?
- Which airlines use them currently?
I guess many of them are converted to freighters.
What is your opinion about the DC-8 super 70's? Have you ever flown with one? How was it like?
I personally think it is an awesome plane to see. Much more beautiful than the original DC-8. What a few new engines can do isn't it?
Broke From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 1322 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7243 times:
110 DC-8-61's, -62's, -63's were converted to -70 series.
The modification included beefing up the wing at the pylons (-71's only), replacing the pylons, re-engining to the CFM-56-2, and replacing the turbocompressor system with an air cycle system for pressurization, heating, and cooling.
The airplanes maintained their original weights, but had significant increases in range, and even today meet the most stringent proposed noise standards.
Delta converted 13 DC-8-61's to -71's and United converted 20; other operators that made conversions included Flying Tigers, Air Canada, the Armee D'Air (-72's) and Trans America.
UPS has 49 -70's series and some these were converted to -70's after they were obtained; UPS has not operated their -70's internationally since 1998.
A couple of -72's are operated by private companies or governments with corporate interiors and these airplanes can fly between any two airports in the world.
CV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7229 times:
Infact the Super 70 was a awesome airplane and very impressive the way the re-engining process came. Beside Delta and United I know that Trans America also did the convertion, French Air Force also did the convertion and UPS also. Besides those operators some governments did that too. I still think that convertion gave some more years to the good old DC-8 and has a cargoship it is still a good option.
At this moment most are cargo planes and there are a few private ones.
Dc8jet From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 331 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7155 times:
Some other airlines that operated the DC-8-71/73 were Air Sweden, Translift,
Overseas National, Icelandair, Condor, Minerve, Aire d Evasions, Kenya Airways, Spirit of America. Freighters were operated by Air Canada, TNT, Flagship Express, Lufthansa/German Cargo, Evergreen, Mexicana, Vasp, Air India, Fast Air, Lan Chile, Tampa, Jet Fret, Zambia Airways.
I think all but 2 of the 71/73 have been converted to freighters and quite a few are still in service.
Luv767s From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6914 times:
I don't know for sure when UA retired them but they still flew the DC8s in 1990 b/c I flew it from IAD-LAX and it was a great flight. I remember there being tons of room in coach and huge windows with curtains. I also liked how the baggage was loaded from under the aircraft with this elevator thing. I'm sure it wasn't much later than 1990 that they retired them.
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Flyguyclt From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 537 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6520 times:
I flew with my father from CLE to ATL ...Delta Air Lines flight 981. It was a DC8-60(something) before the engine refit. November, 1982. We were late to the airport and got the last 2 seats in the house as is was Thanksgiving day weekend. In the last row of the airplane. Seats A and B is where we sat. Those engines were loud, the plane was packed and fried chicken was served for dinner. Ah, the good old days. And the days of when Dad paid !
Are the above two airplanes examples of the aircraft you guys are referring to in the post? If that is the case, I have always loved how Tampa's DC-8s had much bigger engines than the "wimpier" looking -8s of Arrow (below), etc.
RareBear From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 553 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6383 times:
There was a ATI DC-8-70 into CHS yesterday, on a flight from Senegal.
I flew on DL's -70 in the late 80's from ATL to DFW and on to LAX. I sat at the back of the fuselage, and when we encountered some moderate turbulence out of DFW, you could actually see the fuselage twist. It was an erie sensation.
411A From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1826 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6256 times:
As to performance/range, was told by a Flying Tiger pilot years ago that a DC8-73F could depart HKG at max weight, climb directly to FL330 (unusual for a heavy freighter) and fly nonstop to HNL...about 9.5 hours.
Quite impressive for the time.
AnsettAW From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 205 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6182 times:
I loved the DC-8-70 and miss seeing them in the sky. I was in high school when I took my first DC-8 flight in 1988 on UA from ORD-PDX. I spoke to a retired UA pilot recently on a UA RJ flight and he called the DC-8 the "Cadillac of the Sky". He said it was his favorite plane to pilot.
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