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UA's New Livery On 737: Tails Are Different  
User currently offlineOrd From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 7924 times:

If you look at the two United 737-300s painted in the new livery, they have slightly different tail designs (very slight, but noticeable if you look).

N390UA has wider "tulip" bars, and the bottom of the logo nearly touches the bottom of the tail.

N388UA has "tulip" bars that are a tad bit thinner, making a bit more of the logo show on the tail, especially where the tail "juts out" in the front. And, the logo here sits further up on the tail (with more space between the bottom of the logo and the bottom of the tail).

Look at the thin lines separating the "tulip" bars and you'll see how they line up different on the two tails.

I never did learn how to post photos, so you'll need to check for yourself. It's just interesting that United would have a small variation on a brand new scheme. You would think a template would be used and make both tails the same.

Perhaps a United employee can shed some light on this.

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User currently offlineBoeing777/747 From Belgium, joined Dec 2001, 643 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 7754 times:

Ord,

To put an Airliners.net aircraft image on this forum goes as followed:

First type this; <
Than type this code and number (number of picture); photoid:509929
Than type this; >

All signs behind eachother. Do not put spaces between all those signs!
The above code gives this result:


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Photo © Frank C. Duarte Jr.



Regards from tulip country, Holland!


User currently offlineUal777contrail From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 7691 times:

It could be maybe they were painted in diffrent paint shops.

One being done in AMA and the other in ARA.

UAL 777 CONTRAIL


User currently offlineBoeing777/747 From Belgium, joined Dec 2001, 643 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 7633 times:

Ord,

To put a NOT Airliners.net image, but just an image found on the web, on this forum goes as followed:

First type this; <
Than type this; IMG SRC=
Than type or paste the full URL of the image (jpg); http://www.klm.com/generic/static_img/splash_swan.jpg
Than type this; >

The only space is between IMG and SRC.
The above code gives this result:



I'm not sure wether this way of image linking is prohibited or not.


User currently offlineBoeing777/747 From Belgium, joined Dec 2001, 643 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 7592 times:

Regards from my Dutch back yard:



User currently offlineVS346 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 339 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 7482 times:

Boeing777/747

Now if that's not a picture perfect postcard for the Netherlands I dont know what is.

Had the chance to visit parts of Seeland in 2001. Beautiful.

Cheers

VS346



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User currently offlineBoeing777/747 From Belgium, joined Dec 2001, 643 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 7417 times:

I prefer mountains. This flat is soo boring... yawn. The big advantage of living in a flat country and below sealevel is that you can see the planes coming already from very far.

User currently offlineOrd From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 7274 times:

Boeing777/747, thanks for the info on how to place photos. Here are the two United tails I was talking about. Look closely and you'll see the difference:


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Photo © Marcus Anderholm




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Photo © Benjamin Vehige



p.s. Your Dutch back yard is gorgeous!


User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 7147 times:

Painted by two different companies not doubt.
What's the big deal?


User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4747 posts, RR: 45
Reply 9, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 6832 times:

The big deal is it provides inconsistency with look/logo and overall branding. I think overall the way the tail was designed is just bad, as it doesn't translate well to all aircraft.

-g



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User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 53
Reply 10, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 6792 times:

Its hardly noticeable...I wouldnt give either plane a second glance if I saw it in person...

Greg



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User currently offlineTrident2e From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 6789 times:

Is it OK to use photos on a.net in your posts without the permission of the photogropher, or do you need permission first?

User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 6757 times:

Unless you've been living under a rock, the last thing UA should be concerned about is 'overall branding.' Face the financial hurdles, then worry about paint inconsistencies.

I doubt seriously any consumers would even notice the difference.

I'll agree, the tail design is B-A-D. It doesn't look like anything...let alone the letter 'U'.


User currently offlineDABZF From Germany, joined Mar 2004, 1200 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 6678 times:

"just" painted in too different places... by too different companies.
You will only spot the difference if you see them at the same time.

But yes, very inconsistent... if you notice it!



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User currently offlineSunilgupta From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 775 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 6569 times:

What makes you think that it's even paint? The use of gradiants, shading, etc was all made possible by decal technology.

Sunil


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 15, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 6519 times:

I think its the distance from the subject.

N


User currently offlineOrd From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 6396 times:

"Unless you've been living under a rock, the last thing UA should be concerned about is 'overall branding.' Face the financial hurdles, then worry about paint inconsistencies."

In response to your comments, I wasn't worried about the paint inconsistencies but rather pointing out something I had noticed that I thought others might be interested in.

Further, overall branding is something United should be very concerned about. That is a huge part of their overall plan post-bankruptcy. Look at all the successful companies in the world and you'll see they're all built around great branding. And branding does not happen by accident...it is part of an overall strategic plan (which also includes the financials).


User currently offlineAIR757200 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1579 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 6276 times:

Ord,

Your really making it a bigger issue than it is. Concerned about the fact that the tulip on one aircraft is a few inches higher (and a minor variance) than the other from the base? I think UA would be more concerned if maybe they painted it the wrong color, like red? As long as the public sees the word "UNITED" on the side of the plane, the brand has been recognized.

Remember, people (passengers) are too busy to say (and to take note) "hey, that logo is 3 inches higher than that plane at C10!" It's the same logo, isn't it?


User currently offlineAirOrange From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 6186 times:

AIR757200, I agree that the average people do not bother about inconsistency but I disagree with you about the fact that Ord is "making a bigger issue than it is". Professional airlines must be aware of perfect implementation of housestyle items. Misstakes can happen but they also have to be solved and how sooner the better.

User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8227 posts, RR: 23
Reply 19, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 6161 times:

The differences are less noticable than those on the Ted jets. The only dif I see on the 737s is the one fades towards the top.


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User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 6074 times:

Rebranding did not help either Pan Am or Braniff (many times over)--nor is it helping US or DL. United chose to paint the planes that way because it was cheaper. Full stop.

Never confuse what the enthusiasts wants with what the business is about.
It is not about paint and nice logos.
It's about safety, economics, and solid planning---operationaly and financially.

If, as you say, their 'rebranding' was paramount in their reorganization plan (which it isn't), then they likely deserver to go under.

A great company is what makes the 'brand.' A new logo or rebranding, rarely, if ever 'makes' the company.

BMW and Lexus are not great because they chose a nice typeface---their monikers are famous because they have the product to back it up.


User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4778 posts, RR: 26
Reply 21, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week ago) and read 5965 times:
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Seeing these two pictures next to each other really makes the differences stand out. Not only is the logo higher one of the tails, but the color also fades to a darker shade at the top. I have never noticed this before with any airline. I am known to be a perfectionist, and I will usually notice these little, or "insignificant" things. One thing that has always impressed me about all airlines, is the consistencies with their liveries from one aircraft to another. I have always wondered how they get them so perfectly close to each other. But man, that is quite a variation between the jobs done on those two UA 737s. From an operational and business standpoint, I have no idea how big of a deal this really is, and I'd assume little to none. But it is one of those things that once something like that catches your eye, you can never really see it with the same innocence again.

Edit: Made some spelling corrections.

[Edited 2004-03-19 02:00:30]


ALL views, opinions expressed are mine ONLY and are NOT representative of those shared by Southwest Airlines Co.
User currently offlineRamprat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1528 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week ago) and read 5881 times:

Maybe they did get painted at the same shop. Maybe they saw the first 737 painted and told the company to change the logo a little.

User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (10 years 5 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5768 times:

The big deal is it provides inconsistency with look/logo and overall branding

As someone that has overseeing my airlines planes getting painted its no big deal and its all part of painting planes. Now..........for me looking at the pictures, I would say the bottom aircraft has the correct tail logo, and my guess is the top aircraft was painted with the wrong masking for the tail. If you look closely, the top U is proportionally larger. I'd say it was ment for a different model 737, or maybe a 757.........and No, its not a decal......its painted on with masking. Last I knew.....UAL only used one paint shop.......in Amarillo, Texas.

[Edited 2004-03-19 02:59:53]


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User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4778 posts, RR: 26
Reply 24, posted (10 years 5 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5652 times:
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Of the two photographs, the tail logo in the top one looks more like the tail of the first United 777 in the new livery. So I don't know...maybe THAT would be the correct appearance.


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25 HlywdCatft : I seen the 737 in the top picture of the two 737 pictures at DTW today.
26 Mymiles2go : As hinted at above, it's most likely that United is simply tweaking the design as it see's it on real planes. Nothing more. United has done this in th
27 Aloha717200 : I would say that the tail of the plane in the second picture looks FAR better than the one at the top. Greg, I would waste some time and breath explai
28 Post contains images N754pr : Are they asking OX to paint them
29 Ord : Just to clairify, I am not saying this minor tail inconsistency is a brand issue. My mention of the United brand was about everything else they are tr
30 Greg : I'll agree that in print and advertising branding does help. I travel enough to know that most people don't give a crap about what colour the plane is
31 Alpha 1 : Whoever said "what's the big deal", doesn't get it. It's pretty piss poor when you can't get the same, consistent paint job on your fleet. And Greg, y
32 Ord : Greg - Thanks for your comments as well. You always provide good input and I look forward to your posts.
33 Aloha717200 : Aloha717--sorry...you're just a teenage enthusiast--I've disregarded your comments. Regardless of you disregarding my comments, I stand by them. Just
34 UA744Flagship : As hinted at above, it's most likely that United is simply tweaking the design as it see's it on real planes. Nothing more. United has done this in th
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