Ord From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1370 posts, RR: 1 Posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6026 times:
If you look at the two United 737-300s painted in the new livery, they have slightly different tail designs (very slight, but noticeable if you look).
N390UA has wider "tulip" bars, and the bottom of the logo nearly touches the bottom of the tail.
N388UA has "tulip" bars that are a tad bit thinner, making a bit more of the logo show on the tail, especially where the tail "juts out" in the front. And, the logo here sits further up on the tail (with more space between the bottom of the logo and the bottom of the tail).
Look at the thin lines separating the "tulip" bars and you'll see how they line up different on the two tails.
I never did learn how to post photos, so you'll need to check for yourself. It's just interesting that United would have a small variation on a brand new scheme. You would think a template would be used and make both tails the same.
Perhaps a United employee can shed some light on this.
Boeing777/747 From Belgium, joined Dec 2001, 643 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5735 times:
Ord,
To put a NOT Airliners.net image, but just an image found on the web, on this forum goes as followed:
First type this; <
Than type this; IMG SRC=
Than type or paste the full URL of the image (jpg); http://www.klm.com/generic/static_img/splash_swan.jpg
Than type this; >
The only space is between IMG and SRC.
The above code gives this result:
I'm not sure wether this way of image linking is prohibited or not.
VS346 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 339 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5584 times:
Boeing777/747
Now if that's not a picture perfect postcard for the Netherlands I dont know what is.
Had the chance to visit parts of Seeland in 2001. Beautiful.
Cheers
VS346
Virgin-Atlantic: More experience than our name suggests
Boeing777/747 From Belgium, joined Dec 2001, 643 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5519 times:
I prefer mountains. This flat is soo boring... yawn. The big advantage of living in a flat country and below sealevel is that you can see the planes coming already from very far.
Ord From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1370 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5376 times:
Boeing777/747, thanks for the info on how to place photos. Here are the two United tails I was talking about. Look closely and you'll see the difference:
Alitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4658 posts, RR: 45 Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4934 times:
The big deal is it provides inconsistency with look/logo and overall branding. I think overall the way the tail was designed is just bad, as it doesn't translate well to all aircraft.
USAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 54 Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4894 times:
Its hardly noticeable...I wouldnt give either plane a second glance if I saw it in person...
Greg
Chief A.net college football stadium self-pic guru
Greg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4859 times:
Unless you've been living under a rock, the last thing UA should be concerned about is 'overall branding.' Face the financial hurdles, then worry about paint inconsistencies.
I doubt seriously any consumers would even notice the difference.
I'll agree, the tail design is B-A-D. It doesn't look like anything...let alone the letter 'U'.
Sunilgupta From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 770 posts, RR: 15 Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4671 times:
What makes you think that it's even paint? The use of gradiants, shading, etc was all made possible by decal technology.
Gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16215 posts, RR: 88 Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4621 times:
Ord From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1370 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 4498 times:
"Unless you've been living under a rock, the last thing UA should be concerned about is 'overall branding.' Face the financial hurdles, then worry about paint inconsistencies."
In response to your comments, I wasn't worried about the paint inconsistencies but rather pointing out something I had noticed that I thought others might be interested in.
Further, overall branding is something United should be very concerned about. That is a huge part of their overall plan post-bankruptcy. Look at all the successful companies in the world and you'll see they're all built around great branding. And branding does not happen by accident...it is part of an overall strategic plan (which also includes the financials).
AIR757200 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1579 posts, RR: 8 Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 4378 times:
Ord,
Your really making it a bigger issue than it is. Concerned about the fact that the tulip on one aircraft is a few inches higher (and a minor variance) than the other from the base? I think UA would be more concerned if maybe they painted it the wrong color, like red? As long as the public sees the word "UNITED" on the side of the plane, the brand has been recognized.
Remember, people (passengers) are too busy to say (and to take note) "hey, that logo is 3 inches higher than that plane at C10!" It's the same logo, isn't it?
AirOrange From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 4288 times:
AIR757200, I agree that the average people do not bother about inconsistency but I disagree with you about the fact that Ord is "making a bigger issue than it is". Professional airlines must be aware of perfect implementation of housestyle items. Misstakes can happen but they also have to be solved and how sooner the better.
Greg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 4176 times:
Rebranding did not help either Pan Am or Braniff (many times over)--nor is it helping US or DL. United chose to paint the planes that way because it was cheaper. Full stop.
Never confuse what the enthusiasts wants with what the business is about.
It is not about paint and nice logos.
It's about safety, economics, and solid planning---operationaly and financially.
If, as you say, their 'rebranding' was paramount in their reorganization plan (which it isn't), then they likely deserver to go under.
A great company is what makes the 'brand.' A new logo or rebranding, rarely, if ever 'makes' the company.
BMW and Lexus are not great because they chose a nice typeface---their monikers are famous because they have the product to back it up.
Silver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4538 posts, RR: 28 Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 4067 times:
Seeing these two pictures next to each other really makes the differences stand out. Not only is the logo higher one of the tails, but the color also fades to a darker shade at the top. I have never noticed this before with any airline. I am known to be a perfectionist, and I will usually notice these little, or "insignificant" things. One thing that has always impressed me about all airlines, is the consistencies with their liveries from one aircraft to another. I have always wondered how they get them so perfectly close to each other. But man, that is quite a variation between the jobs done on those two UA 737s. From an operational and business standpoint, I have no idea how big of a deal this really is, and I'd assume little to none. But it is one of those things that once something like that catches your eye, you can never really see it with the same innocence again.
Edit: Made some spelling corrections.
[Edited 2004-03-19 02:00:30]
ALL views, opinions expressed are mine ONLY and are NOT representative of those shared by Southwest Airlines Co.
Ramprat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1457 posts, RR: 2 Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 3983 times:
Maybe they did get painted at the same shop. Maybe they saw the first 737 painted and told the company to change the logo a little.
EMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9286 posts, RR: 13 Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 3870 times:
The big deal is it provides inconsistency with look/logo and overall branding
As someone that has overseeing my airlines planes getting painted its no big deal and its all part of painting planes. Now..........for me looking at the pictures, I would say the bottom aircraft has the correct tail logo, and my guess is the top aircraft was painted with the wrong masking for the tail. If you look closely, the top U is proportionally larger. I'd say it was ment for a different model 737, or maybe a 757.........and No, its not a decal......its painted on with masking. Last I knew.....UAL only used one paint shop.......in Amarillo, Texas.
[Edited 2004-03-19 02:59:53]
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
Silver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4538 posts, RR: 28 Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3754 times:
Of the two photographs, the tail logo in the top one looks more like the tail of the first United 777 in the new livery. So I don't know...maybe THAT would be the correct appearance.
ALL views, opinions expressed are mine ONLY and are NOT representative of those shared by Southwest Airlines Co.
25 HlywdCatft: I seen the 737 in the top picture of the two 737 pictures at DTW today.
26 Mymiles2go: As hinted at above, it's most likely that United is simply tweaking the design as it see's it on real planes. Nothing more. United has done this in th
27 Aloha717200: I would say that the tail of the plane in the second picture looks FAR better than the one at the top. Greg, I would waste some time and breath explai
29 Ord: Just to clairify, I am not saying this minor tail inconsistency is a brand issue. My mention of the United brand was about everything else they are tr
30 Greg: I'll agree that in print and advertising branding does help. I travel enough to know that most people don't give a crap about what colour the plane is
31 Alpha 1: Whoever said "what's the big deal", doesn't get it. It's pretty piss poor when you can't get the same, consistent paint job on your fleet. And Greg, y
32 Ord: Greg - Thanks for your comments as well. You always provide good input and I look forward to your posts.
33 Aloha717200: Aloha717--sorry...you're just a teenage enthusiast--I've disregarded your comments. Regardless of you disregarding my comments, I stand by them. Just
34 UA744Flagship: As hinted at above, it's most likely that United is simply tweaking the design as it see's it on real planes. Nothing more. United has done this in th
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