Kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12932 posts, RR: 34 Posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5702 times:
I was reading an article in Irish Air Letter, an authoritative and long running monthly magazine on, well, Irish aviation. It said that if the current bilateral restrictions were scrapped, EI would add THREE (not two, as previously thought) new US routes within three months. As you know, EI has been growing very fast - and successfully - in Europe, so it's not surprising that the Irish government took this very seriously and it has already begun negotiations with the US authorities. Basically, what is expected to happen is an easing in the ratio of flights which have to stop at SNN, or operate to SNN as a supplement to DUB flights. Thus, if it went from 1:1 to 2:1, airlines would still operate the number of flights they currently fly to SNN, but have a "free" extra flight to/from DUB.
It does sound crazy, but the Shannon lobby has to be pacified, for Irish political reasons. What the US authorities will make of this is anyone's guess, but it's certainly better than a poke in the eye with a stick. EI will be the biggest beneficiary of a change, so maybe the three US carriers will ask for more and there may well be a time limit on this, so that the link will be phased out eventually. The EU will also want to take an interest in it.
The fly in the ointment is getting new aircraft. EI is currently reviewing its long haul fleet needs, with leases on the current 333s running out soon. A fine aircraft, but I think that with new technology available and the need for longer flights, better aircraft could be found. Also, if EI wants to launch services as fast as it says it does, whichever manufacturer can deliver this is obviously going to be in a good position when the time comes to replace the fleet. With EI having already ordered A320s, Airbus must be seen to be in pole position. BUT . . . EI wants to operate these routes quickly and it's in the gift of the US authorities. Now, guys, if you were to take Boeings, ooh, I think we could make things happen quite quickly . . .
Of course, it depends on 777s being readily available. Don't forget, Boeing would have an incentive to do business, as EI would be an ideal 7E7 customer.
Fanciful, perhaps? Why? If Boeing has any hope at all of getting its foot in the EI door again, this could be it. They might as well give it all they've got.
Mlsrar From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 1417 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5436 times:
If US were to go under, I definitely see them coming to PHL.
I would have serious doubts about that, given the ability to feed and codeshare with AA. I could see DFW and MIA as logical expansion options, giving preferable South-American connections, but its just my .02.
I am also in agreement that there should be no retension of the SNN stops.
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ARN From Sweden, joined Feb 2001, 269 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5387 times:
If they would extend runway 10/28 in Dublin beyond current 2637 meters to normal standards, it would almost reach into the Limerick area, given the smallness of this country.
If the same conditions would have been implemented in other countries, half of the US-bound SK-flights would have to land in Billund on route from CPH, flights from MXP had to land in Turin and flights from MAD had to descend into Santiago de Compostela etc.
Styles From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5366 times:
Interesting news. For some reason EI seems to be set on US expansion at the expense of any new non US long haul routes, such as the much rumoured CPT service as well as possibly KUL and/or SIN. I suppose EI would prefer to go with Airbus for long haul a/c but the point about needing metal soon if they were to go ahead may also open the door for Boeing to make a pitch. It is not too far off the mark to consider the political implications of a Boeing purchase. Will EI be returning the leased a/c at the lease end? If so, is anyone aware of the time line?
As for possible new US gateways I agree that MIA and SFO are good bets, but you may also see MCO as one.
Kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12932 posts, RR: 34
Reply 11, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5209 times:
Okay, a few point:
A "gom" is a "gombeen man"; it's difficult to describe this to a non-Irish person. I believe the phrase has its origins in literature. Basically, it means a kind of croney - that might be the nearest description, but not a terribly bright one.
The SNN stopover dates back to about 1958, when the first EI t/a flights were operated, although SNN had already been designated the main transatlantic terminus for Ireland, back in 1945, when Ireland and the US signed their first bilateral. Up until the mid 1960s, many airlines - TWA, TCA (later Air Canada), Sabena, Swissair (ah, those names!) operated through Shannon, but as time went on and jets had longer range, they didn't need to, but Shannon had to be kept going, to Aer Lingus was lumbered with the obligation of flying through SNN. Remember that the Shannon region - including Limerick, Tipperary (not a long way from Shannon!) and Galway elects a significant number of TDs (Irish MPs) to the Dail, or parliament, so the government doesn't want to upset them.
Thankfully, things are getting better now and nonstop flights have been allowed since 1994, subject to the 50/50 provision. I think 747FirstClass is correct in saying that the US may agree to a deal which would allow a phased abolition of the stopover.
ARN; what do you mean by this? There are 120 miles between DUB and SNN; the current runway length is a little short, but A330-200s have been known to fly n/s to the US from the shorter runway, 16/34, which is only 6,800'. Modern twin jet airliners are very powerful on departure and the 330s are no exception. There is actually enough room WITHIN THE AIRPORT BOUNDARY to add another 1500' or so to the runway.
As for what routes might be added, MIA and SFO would seem to be the first two. PHL is a possibility if US Airways goes pop, but I'd imagine DFW would be left to American, as a codeshare with EI. Seattle, Denver and Phoenix have also been mentioned, but it will be interesting to see which one is picked (after the first two, which most people seem to agree on). However, MCO could also be chosen as an alternative to MIA.