JetBlue wants to improve the current terminal, and even expand. The article states that this would give the airline extra service to the airport.
I also read in an article about a month ago that JetBlue is changing its flying patterns over LGB. It's making a steeper climb and a quicker descent - therefore less noise would be heard on the ground.
Anyone know how likely it is that JetBlue gets more slots? If they do get these slots, how do you think the residents in the area would react? And how would JetBlue use these slots, would you think?
FATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5910 posts, RR: 27
Reply 2, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3119 times:
The only way that JetBlue gets more slots is either someone else stops or reduces service at LGB or they can reduce the overall noise impacts. That is why the change in patterns.
The LGB ordinance is based on a cumulative noise level impact that is the same as what was in effect in 1990. The number of slots is calculated at LGB so that the cumulative noise never changes. Quieter ops can lead to more slots. But its a long process and I wouldn't expect to see major increases in the number of slots.
Jetbluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3110 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2864 times:
I'd say it would be more prudent to move to another airport (Ontario or LAX) instead of continuing this losing battle.
I agree that new flights should be moved into ONT or LAX, but JetBlue isn't 'losing a battle.' LGB is extremely profitable for JetBlue. The only problem is that they can't add more profitable flights. But it was a winning move for them to select LGB, IMO.
MidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2745 times:
Long Beach was a great choice for Jetblue, when they were starting up, they just about got everything that they wanted, now that they are growing they will soon require an alternate airport for expansion until additional Long Beach slots open up.
Jetblue has great slot times at Long Beach, they are not going anywhere
The executive summary in regard to slots is that the airlines were over their noise budget numbers by well over 10% for 7/1/02-6/30/03. While the actual calculation of the budget runs from 10/1-9/30 of each year, it's unlikely that the air carriers came in under-budget for that period given how far under they'd need to be in order to offset the previous nine months.
I'd add that given the noise budget calculations, it's unlikely that additional non-commuter slots will become available to the air carriers at LGB in light of jetBlue's service patterns. Operations from 7PM to 10 PM carry a triple noise budget penalty as compared to daytime operations, while operations between 10 PM and 7 AM are penalized by a factor of ten. Given how heavily jetBlue's LGB schedule is loaded towards evening/red-eye flights (with 4 flights at 9 PM or later and two additional flights between 7 and 9 PM) to increase utilization, they will always be penalized in the noise budget calculations, especially when the last couple of departures are a few minutes late.
I think they're going to have a serious fight on their hands to expand/upgrade the LGB terminal. It's pretty obvious that the folks around LGB are unhappy about increased activity and they're likely to make their unhappiness known when it comes time to vote for City Council members.
All that said, I have to agree with most others that LGB was probably a mistake when you look beyond a two-year horizon. The slot limitations and terminal facilities really put a hard upper limit on what jetBlue will be able to do there, and it's pretty clear that they'll have to switch focus to LAX or ONT if they want to expand further in Southern California. LGB is pretty much B6's ISP -- except WN can expand at ISP if they want.