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Markets That Are Overserved From Your Hometown  
User currently offlineOsubuckeyes From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 483 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 1 month 8 hours ago) and read 2609 times:

My home town is PHX there are a few markets that i think are way over served and i dont see how any airline could make money with so much competition. PHX to the LA which is served by WN and HP with tons of flights and UA with about 6 flights. PHX-ORD/MDW HP, WN, AA, UA, and ATA all serve this market nonstop in total there is about 20 flights there. How can there be that much demand. I dont know if there are any others but i dont see how all these flights can be filled because there are over 100 flights a day to the LA area how can you make a profit on all thos flights.

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User currently offlineAv8rPHX From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 713 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 month 4 hours ago) and read 2528 times:

How is LA overserved? LAX is a major international gateway. I dont see how that is overserving an area. Seems to me that it is the way hub and spoke systems work.

User currently offlineAa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3345 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 month 4 hours ago) and read 2511 times:

ABE has 2x daily service to ORD. Now thats what I call being overserved!  Smile

AAndrew


User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2686 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 month 4 hours ago) and read 2491 times:

SFO from EWR. We do not need 12 daily flights from EWR-SFO on CO, especially in comparison to LAX, which varies from four to six on any given day.

User currently offlineWidgetBoi From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1432 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 4 hours ago) and read 2482 times:

Does CO fly the same equipment to SFO that they fly to LAX?

jeremy


User currently offlineSpike From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1170 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 month 4 hours ago) and read 2479 times:

Hong Kong to Taipei... about 47 flights per day in each direction.

User currently offlineNorthwest 777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 4 hours ago) and read 2467 times:

Hong Kong to Taipei... about 47 flights per day in each direction.

I wonder how many seats that equates to each day when you figure that most of those flights have gotta be widebodies, correct?


User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2686 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 4 hours ago) and read 2449 times:

CO uses mostly 73G's and 738's to SFO, whereas LAX gets two 762s, a few 752s, and 738s. It's a mix to LAX depending on the day of the week.

User currently offlineWidgetBoi From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1432 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 4 hours ago) and read 2435 times:

Thanks for the info man!

By chance, are 777s ever scheduled to fly from EWR to LAX?

jeremy


User currently offlineLUV4JFK From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 462 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2337 times:

I don't know if these city pairs are overserved because if they were, I'm sure they would reduce some flights, but I think these are the top 3 from New York (including Newark):

Washington (IAD-DCA-BWI): 97 flights a day
Chicago (ORD-MDW): 85 flights a day
Boston: 71 flights a day

And you wouldn't think New York is a business city now would you?

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User currently offlineOzzie From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2311 times:

I am in Phoenix also and I find that maybe LAS is overserved. With so many HP and WN flights there it seems awfully overserved.

I could be wrong.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32175 posts, RR: 72
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2302 times:

Washington (IAD-DCA-BWI): 97 flights a day
Chicago (ORD-MDW): 85 flights a day
Boston: 71 flights a day


You left out the heaviest served market from New York City: Miami metropolitan area (MIA-FLL-PBI) has roughly 80 flights a day; around 95-100 during the winter.

This summer (next winter):

MIA-JFK: 42 weekly (42 weekly)
MIA-LGA: 65 weekly (63 weekly)
MIA-EWR: 63 weekly (63 weekly)
TOTAL: 170 weekly (170 weekly) approx. 24 daily

FLL-JFK: 91 weekly (147 weekly)
FLL-LGA: 98 weekly (112 weekly)
FLL-EWR: 54 weekly (61 weekly)
FLL-ISP: 14 weekly (14 weekly)
TOTAL: 257 weekly (334 weekly) approx. 36/47 daily

PBI-JFK: 56 weekly (77 weekly)
PBI-LGA: 35 weekly (49 weekly)
PBI-EWR: 35 weekly (42 weekly)
PBI-ISP: 14 weekly (14 weekly)
TOTAL: 140 (182 weekly) exactly 20/26 daily

Total of 80 flights during the summer, 97 daily during the winter. Then, add in the fact that many of these flights use big planes (MIA-JFK on AA is five A300s and one 762) and there are no commuter jets. It's a huge big market, though not really overserved.



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User currently offlineLUV4JFK From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 462 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2225 times:

You're right MAH4546. At the last check, there are currently a total of 90 flights to MIA-FLL-PBI from JFK-EWR-LGA which ranks 2nd for flights but definitely 1st for total seats since a lot of flights to the Washington area are regional jets or turboprops.

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