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VS Selling A340-300's?  
User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5962 times:

I thought I read on a photo caption that VS was selling off its A340-300 fleet...is this true?

How much are they getting per plane?

Thanks,

F L Y 7 7 7 U A L

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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5897 times:

That'd be nice, but at this point is rather unsubstantiated...

User currently offlineJaws707 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 708 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5845 times:

I believe that VS has sold 2 of their A343's to France to be used as VIP transport. Also there have been rumors that VS will be placing an order for either more A346's or 773's to replace the remaining A343's. If I were VS though, I would probobly keep at least 2 of the A343's to be used to introduce new routes. An A346 has an awful lot of capacity to try to fill a route that is just opening.

User currently offlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined exactly 14 years ago today! , 2601 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5796 times:
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Virgin don't own any of them, they're all leased!

G-VSKY has gone to BWIA as 9Y-JIL

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Another pair are due to go to the French Air Force I believe.

I'd expect that further A340-300s leaving the fleet will depend on the rate the airline manages to grow at, and the delivery rate of the A340-600.

Regards
CROSSWIND


User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5766 times:

I would be surprised if they sold them. The market for new airplanes is kind of soft and used airplanes (particularly 340s) may even be softer. There is little sense in selling perfectly good airplanes in a market like this.

User currently offlineAirchabum From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 769 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5719 times:

G-VSKY was one of 2 planned to go to the FAF but the deal fell through and 'KY ended up with BWIA. AFAIK no others are planned to leave the fleet in the near future.


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User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5714 times:

There it is! Thank you Crosswind for the pics! I knew my eyes didn't deceive me (minus the "selling" part!).

F L Y 7 7 7 U A L


User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5633 times:

Did Airbus give Virgin residual value guarantees?

User currently offlineFrontiers4ever From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5569 times:

Why would Virgin order the 77-3ER? They already got the 346. Doesn't make much sense to me.

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User currently offlineSyncmaster From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 2039 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5555 times:
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Nothing Virgin does makes much sense....it'll just be who they can get the better deal from, and it may also be a bargining tool for their new US airline.

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5515 times:

Why would Virgin order the 77-3ER? They already got the 346

Some have speculated that VS might piggyback on an impending SQ 777NG order... though little substantiative evidence for this at this point.


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5913 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5468 times:

It doesn't make sense to me, either, as big a fan of Boeing as I am. That said, the rumor IS that they are interested in the 777. Weird.

The 343 seems to be such a mediocre aircraft. What does it offer, exactly, that isn't offered by the (I perceive) more efficient 333? Do I have some figures confused?

R


User currently offlineRjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5460 times:

I was under the impression VS was looking at 777s to replace the A343s, NOT the A346s. Virgin's A343s are some of the oldest and their A346s are the newest, so it wouldn't make sense for them to get rid of the A346s now.

User currently offlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined exactly 14 years ago today! , 2601 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5445 times:
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Did Airbus give Virgin residual value guarantees?

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N79969,
I say again...

Virgin don't own any of them, they're all leased!!!

Regards
CROSSWIND



User currently offlineCoTXDFW777AA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 321 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5436 times:

All I can say is that a 777 in Virgin dress would be damn sexy.
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User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5278 times:

The 343 seems to be such a mediocre aircraft.

Smart and intelligent comment, congrats  Nuts

Do I have some figures confused?

It would surprise me if you would actually have checked some figures...

If you don't know anything about the subject, sh*t up or ask a question. But claiming that the A343 is mediocre without actually knowing what you are talking about, gives you a credibility of zero.

VS still has 4 A346's on order. If I remember earlier postings about this subject, I thought that the A346's were meant to replace the A343.

Frederic


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5251 times:

Smart and intelligent comment

...for an aircraft whose specifications are sub-par to its competitor in just about every conceivable venue; yeah, it is  Smile


User currently offlineBoo25 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 294 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5228 times:


...And of course if they do to Boeing with 777 orders, then they are hypocrites after their long-running "4 engines 4 longhaul" campaign  Insane

Then again, who'd be surprised with Branson.............


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5172 times:

then they are hypocrites after their long-running "4 engines 4 longhaul" campaign

You say that as if they already aren't...

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User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5156 times:

Concordeboy, as usual you only try to stir things up.

Is the B777 better? Maybe. I have no problem to admit that my technical knowledge about the B777 and A340 is too low to compare both.

But do you see me writing that the B777 is mediocre, or that the A343 is the best aircraft on earth?

It all depends for which purpose you need the aircraft. When the A343 would be so much more worse than the B777, why have several airlines chosen the A343 instead of the B772? Not only for cockpit commonality I guess.

Both have excellent statistics, both seem to perform very good (and with perform, I'm not talking about the slow climb rate on take off, because who cares about this except some frustrated aviation nuts who think that an A340 has to climb like an F18).


User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5141 times:

Thanks Crosswind. The thread title is kind of misleading then.

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5066 times:

I have no problem to admit that my technical knowledge about the B777 and A340 is too low to compare both.

So why the longwinded pointless post about it?!  Laugh out loud



All I can say is that a 777 in Virgin dress would be damn sexy

I'd be even more interested to see what/how they name them... good stuff  Big thumbs up


User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4994 times:

"Both have excellent statistics, both seem to perform very good (and with perform, I'm not talking about the slow climb rate on take off, because who cares about this except some frustrated aviation nuts who think that an A340 has to climb like an F18)."

I think if the 340 climbed like a 777 that would be sufficient. The bean counters would probably care about the performance difference here.

If the airplane spends a lot of time reaching cruise, any fuel burn advantage would narrow or possibly be reversed over time. I have read that the 777 can fly the LHR-SIN route 30 minutes faster than the 340. Assuming this is correct and if your pilots and cabin crew are paid by the hour, those 30 minutes will begin adding up fast in direct labor costs. Further those additional minutes start counting against legal duty time limits which could force the airline to hire more expensive flight crew.

Finally any costs associated with maintenance cycles based on flight hours may also increase when the block time is longer.


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 23, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4741 times:

Branson himself said a couple of months ago that he would be in the market for new long-range aircraft for VS......and I think he made specific reference to the 777 line (as well as Airbus products). If Boeing gave VS a great deal on the 777, you can be sure that VS would accept it and would become a 777 operator. This is all about money and deal making. VS would then fly the 346 and 777 side by side, or find a creative way to rid itself of the 346.....it could happen, remember, VS is 49% owned by SQ, and what happened to SQ's fleet of 343s? Right, SQ made the decision to phase out the A343 before Airbus has completed deliveries on the order. This is not A v B, this is much more euro v dollar!

Re the VS A343s, I think the plan was for the A346 to replace the A343s; as mentioned, VS has some very early build A343s (which were originally destined for NW, but that is another story) and the leases are probably near their termination point.


User currently offlineQF744 From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 415 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4584 times:

guys don't forget Virgin has an all 737 fleet for both Virgin Express and Virgin Blue (& Pacific Blue), plus they operate quite a few 744s...

i would not be suprised at all if Sir Dick does a deal with Boeing for his new USA low cost carrier and has some cheap 777s thrown in..

kind of what like QF did to get their 330s in the 380 deal

QF744



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25 ConcordeBoy : cheap 777s Something of an oxymoron...
26 SevenHeavy : Virgin are not currently looking to dispose of any further A340-311/313's. This is mainly due to expansion of existing routes throughout the summer s
27 SevenHeavy : Sorry, forgot to include my useless bit of trivia related to this post. The aircraft sold (or re-leased, not sure which.) to BWIA, the ex G-VSKY, was
28 ANstar : Well if Virgin are smart they would keep a boeing/airbus fleet so they dont get tied down to one manufacturer. I reckon the 777 is a good replacement
29 Warren747sp : The A340-300 does not climb like an F-18. just like an old lady.
30 ConcordeBoy : Be interesting to see what engines they chose for any 777s bought: Their buy-British approach as well as other incentives for RR... Or the performance
31 Richard28 : Commonality may be the game here, they have RR's on the A346 fleet, could make sense to have RR on any 777's. My bet would be more A340's though, with
32 Na : As VS is leasing (almost?) all its airplanes and many contracts have a duration of 12 years you can expect that aone or the other A340 might leave the
33 PVD757 : Na- Gee, why don't we look at the whole 777 and A340 line instead of just the comparison that you like. I know you posted the A380, and they don't eve
34 Post contains images SafetyDude : I was under the impression VS was looking at 777s to replace the A343s, NOT the A346s. Virgin's A343s are some of the oldest and their A346s are the n
35 ConcordeBoy : Boeing has sold 467 planes (777) Boeing has sold 631 planes in the 777 family They've delivered 467.
36 Horus : Concordeboy Do you know how the rest of the 777 orders are split up between the 5 variants (772, 772ER, 772LR, 773 and 773ER)?
37 9V-SPF : Congratulations guys, someone asked a question about the possibility of VS selling their A340s and the usual suspects managed to turn this into a piss
38 9V-SPF : Boeing has sold 631 planes in the 777 family They've delivered 467. Serious question: Aren´t airplanes paid shortly before the delivery flight? I rem
39 ConcordeBoy : Do you know how the rest of the 777 orders are split up between the 5 variants 772A - 91 772ER - 402 772LR - 5 773A - 62 773ER - 71
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