Jaws707 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 708 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6307 times:
I believe that VS has sold 2 of their A343's to France to be used as VIP transport. Also there have been rumors that VS will be placing an order for either more A346's or 773's to replace the remaining A343's. If I were VS though, I would probobly keep at least 2 of the A343's to be used to introduce new routes. An A346 has an awful lot of capacity to try to fill a route that is just opening.
N79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6228 times:
I would be surprised if they sold them. The market for new airplanes is kind of soft and used airplanes (particularly 340s) may even be softer. There is little sense in selling perfectly good airplanes in a market like this.
Rjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5922 times:
I was under the impression VS was looking at 777s to replace the A343s, NOT the A346s. Virgin's A343s are some of the oldest and their A346s are the newest, so it wouldn't make sense for them to get rid of the A346s now.
Sabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5618 times:
Concordeboy, as usual you only try to stir things up.
Is the B777 better? Maybe. I have no problem to admit that my technical knowledge about the B777 and A340 is too low to compare both.
But do you see me writing that the B777 is mediocre, or that the A343 is the best aircraft on earth?
It all depends for which purpose you need the aircraft. When the A343 would be so much more worse than the B777, why have several airlines chosen the A343 instead of the B772? Not only for cockpit commonality I guess.
Both have excellent statistics, both seem to perform very good (and with perform, I'm not talking about the slow climb rate on take off, because who cares about this except some frustrated aviation nuts who think that an A340 has to climb like an F18).
N79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5456 times:
"Both have excellent statistics, both seem to perform very good (and with perform, I'm not talking about the slow climb rate on take off, because who cares about this except some frustrated aviation nuts who think that an A340 has to climb like an F18)."
I think if the 340 climbed like a 777 that would be sufficient. The bean counters would probably care about the performance difference here.
If the airplane spends a lot of time reaching cruise, any fuel burn advantage would narrow or possibly be reversed over time. I have read that the 777 can fly the LHR-SIN route 30 minutes faster than the 340. Assuming this is correct and if your pilots and cabin crew are paid by the hour, those 30 minutes will begin adding up fast in direct labor costs. Further those additional minutes start counting against legal duty time limits which could force the airline to hire more expensive flight crew.
Finally any costs associated with maintenance cycles based on flight hours may also increase when the block time is longer.
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 55
Reply 23, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5203 times:
Branson himself said a couple of months ago that he would be in the market for new long-range aircraft for VS......and I think he made specific reference to the 777 line (as well as Airbus products). If Boeing gave VS a great deal on the 777, you can be sure that VS would accept it and would become a 777 operator. This is all about money and deal making. VS would then fly the 346 and 777 side by side, or find a creative way to rid itself of the 346.....it could happen, remember, VS is 49% owned by SQ, and what happened to SQ's fleet of 343s? Right, SQ made the decision to phase out the A343 before Airbus has completed deliveries on the order. This is not A v B, this is much more euro v dollar!
Re the VS A343s, I think the plan was for the A346 to replace the A343s; as mentioned, VS has some very early build A343s (which were originally destined for NW, but that is another story) and the leases are probably near their termination point.