Miami1 From Australia, joined Feb 2001, 706 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3871 times:
I think the slots where for 730am and 1330pm or close too it. However the word from the management team is that its being given too a regional airline in the short term as BA have kicked up a storm. they dont wont QF flying into London from other cities other than those covered by the JSA "joint services agreement"..which is a real bugger coz it would/will be great when/if QF increase thier flights.
ANstar From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 4991 posts, RR: 6 Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3747 times:
QF can only utilise 1 pair of these slots with an Australian flight as the current UK-Aus rights is 28 flights per week for an Australian airline.
QF currently operate 21 flights per week. This means they can only increase by another 1 daily flight.
To throw a spanner in the works, backpackers express ahs also applied for some of the remaining 7 weekly flights menaing QF may miss out.
Crosscheck From Australia, joined Jun 2000, 153 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3503 times:
Hi ANstar, I looked up the IASC site, but could not find any information about "backpackers express", is this a new Australian airline? Also the information stating that there were only 7 return flights left available each week, is over 2 years old, is this info still current? Surely Qantas wouldn't spend all that money on landing slots, only to find out that they didn't have and couldn't get IASC approval to use them. Is it possible they already have the approvals?
Bacxboys From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 42 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3446 times:
Many points to be raised Here!
QF will never start services via KUL both BA and QF looked at KUL a few years to replace the current SIN as as asian stopover point.
BA then axed services to KUL as it was pulling in too much leisure traffic and not enough front end premium business.
Also another major sticking point for QF at present is VS and its proposed SYD service via Hong Kong.
Untill Cathay can get over the EU hurdle and start Its LHR/JFK service which at present is also being objected to by BMI to name a few, these new services by QF will not start as Cathay and the Hong Kong government will not allow VS to start and in turn VS will object to QF extra services!
Its all tit for tat in this area! And as for QF starting a LHR/PVG service!!! I can just see BA allowing that! Considering its just had clearance to start itself and with China Eastern still hoping to start services from LHR as well.
Having slots and buying them is one thing,actually using them is another!!
This lists the current applications with the IASC.
It states that in both cases QF are after the total remaining capacity.
It then has a last nite saying Backpackers Xpress has also appled for this capacity...
So Interesting... Thier PVG application has been approved and is listed under Determinations & Decisions.
I cut and paste the attached...
Qantas has applied for an allocation of capacity on the India route - advertised on 23 February 2004 - Closing date for notice of intention to submit an application is COB 1 March 2004
Qantas is also planning to resume services to Mumbai with effect from September 2004. Qantas is seeking an allocation of 2100 seats per week which is the full allocation available to Australian carriers.
Qantas plans to initially operate 3 B747 services non stop between Sydney and Mumbai and add a further 2 services from as early as April 2005.
On 27 February Backpacker Xpress notified an intention to apply for capacity on the India route - applications close at COB 24 March 2004.
Qantas has applied for an allocation of capacity on the United Kingdom route - advertised on 23 February 2004 - Qantas application - Closing date for notice of intention to submit an application is COB 1 March 2004
Qantas currently operates 21 services per week between Australia and London via Singapore and Bangkok. Qantas is now seeking an allocation of an additional seven services per week in order to expand its operations to 28 services per week. As with the India application above this is the full allocation available to Australian carriers.
Qantas plans to operate an additional three services from November 2004 and the remaining four would be added over the 12 months to November 2005.
Qantas is seeking permission to price and market its services, and share/pool revenues/profits on the route, with British Airways as long as such practices are authorised under the Trade Practices Act 1974 or otherwise authorised by the Australian Competition Tribunal, in event of review by that Tribunal.
On 27 February Backpacker Xpress notified an intention to apply for capacity on the United Kingdom route - applications close at COB 24 March 2004.
If you dont have the slots it doesn't matter how many new air services you get under the air services agreement you can't fly them to Heathrow!!! One must put the horse before the cart and now that QF has the access it is inevitable that route capacity will be expanded.
"something is going on here.... possibility of an offshore-registered carrier owned by Qantas taking on the slot?"
Definitely not. I can't imagine QF giving up the slots to anyone. They will use them to LHR via Hong Kong, Shanghai or Singapore. It doesn't matter which city it goes through because QF will profit share with BA anyway so both airlines are happy in that BA gets a new service without having to use its own slots & QF gets to fly more 747's/A380's to LHR.
"or possibily as additional equity if they buy into Air NZ and transfer the slot to the Kiwis?"
Two points. Firstly the ANZ/QF partnership will not go ahead. Competition authorities have put a stop to it and QF has already spent the money earmarked for the ANZ acquisition anyway. Secondly why on earth would you spend the money buying LHR slots only to give them away??? You wouldn't. Let the Americans/EU work out a new agreement and then sell them to the highest bidding US airline if your not using them.
"there could also be the possibility that the Australian-based carrier alotment may increase in the next 12 months?"
Very likely. I would say the Australia/England bi-lateral will have some work done on it shortly.
The question I have over the new LHR slots is where is the 747-400 capacity going to come from to fly them??? QF certainly doesn't have any lying around and I doubt that QF would fly the 747-300's to LHR. Does this mean QF will buy more 747-400's this year???