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Proposed "New" Eastern Air Lines Start-Up  
User currently offlineSonicKidatBWI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 9675 times:

Please don't bite my head off because I am new to Airliners.net and don't know if there was a previous thread about this topic, but a couple of years back I saw a clip on my local news channel and they were talking about how someone was proposing buying the Eastern Air Lines name and starting new operations out of PHL (Philadelphia International). I never heard anything after that. Did anyone else hear about this and if so, what happened? Did talks fall through or what? Your POSITIVE feedback would be greatly appreciated.

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User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 9593 times:

I don't remember anyone trying to start a new EA at PHL, but I seem to remember a similar attempt to start it at IND in the early to mid 90's. The Eastern name and Pan Am should be permanently retired!

User currently offlineWidgetBoi From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1432 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 9548 times:

I vaguely remember a newsclip about a proposed "New" Eastern too! Unfortunately, that's all I can remember about it.

Great question! Hopefully, someone else will have more info!

jeremy


User currently offlineWGW2707 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1197 posts, RR: 34
Reply 3, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 9532 times:

Too bad that proposed start up did not get off the ground. I have no objection to the use of former airline names when starting a new airline so long as jobs are availible to employees of the former airline and so long as the new airline makes an effort to respect the former airline. So far though none of the revival attempts have been a success except possibly Pan Am 3, which is in business and which we can only assume is profitable, although if it were to shut down I would not be overly shocked. The main problem with revived airlines is when the company reviving the airline has no business plan, or rests their entire business plan on the power of the old branding, which has almost always been the case.

A new EAL would be interesting...perhaps they can bring Colonel Borman, Frank Lorenzo and Charlie Bryan out of retirement for a re-match.  Big thumbs up

-WGW2707


User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 9477 times:

"I have no objection to the use of former airline names when starting a new airline so long as jobs are availible to employees of the former airline"


Why in the world should a new EA be forced to hire fromer EA workers. Even if this was a year after the original failed, it's not the same company. Any new company should be able to hire the best possible workers, not be hamstrung with onerous rules.


User currently offlineGr8slvrflt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1603 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 9476 times:

There was a planned "New" Eastern using DC-9-31s, DC-9-51s and 757s. I think IND was proposed as a hub. My understanding is the backers went with re-starting Pan Am instead. There really is a "new" Eastern, though. It's called AirTran  Big thumbs up

User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 9423 times:

Agreed. I wish Airtran could take on Easterns old name and livery. I think alot of former Eastern people are now at FL.

User currently offlineSonicKidatBWI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 9389 times:

Thanks everyone for your input. To WGW2707 I really hate the new PanAm. PanAm #2 that started in '97 or '98 with A300s was a lot more alluring to me. It seemed closer to its predessor than the crap they have running now. They have it flying out of my home airport (BWI). I haven't seen it yet and I really don't care to. It's not even called Pan American World Airways anymore. They dropped the "World". I guess it is fitting though since it only flies to a whole bunch of 3-rate U.S. airports. Thanks again.

[Edited 2004-03-22 19:16:18]

User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13555 posts, RR: 62
Reply 8, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 9262 times:
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I wish Airtran could take on Easterns old name and livery.

I'll second that motion!  Big thumbs up



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User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 9, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 9261 times:

About 1993 or 94, Martin Shagrue, the last CEO of Eastern, wanted to shape New Eastern to be a low cost carrier based in IND. The start up plan was to use 16 DC9-30 with perhaps 4 to 6 757's. He tried to sell the idea to investors and banks but had very little attention. Mr Shargue died a couple years ago. Most of those DC 9's are now with NW. Those are the ones with the Reg. number as N89--EA.
safe



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User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6422 posts, RR: 17
Reply 10, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 9182 times:

Most of those DC 9's are now with NW. Those are the ones with the Reg. number as N89--EA.

Actually, that would be N89--E

Yeah, yeah,.....I'm picky.  Innocent




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User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 11, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 9162 times:

Thx to you 727LOVER..As much as I fly those guys I should know.
thx again
safe



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User currently offlineJmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3268 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9051 times:

I agree AirTran should change their name to Eastern. It's very fitting and it doesn't sound like it's named after some deceased Chinese avaition guru.



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User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2672 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 8887 times:

I agree that the AirTran name being changed to Eastern would be quite something, AirTran would not do such a thing. They've built up a quite loyal customer base, and obviously, everything they own has "AirTran" slapped on it somewhere. Then again, they could be like UA and cross out the UNI in UNITED on their ground equipment  Laugh out loud!

User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 8838 times:

I wonder if the "Eastern Air Lines" name is available? I would imagine that someone owns the naming rights.

User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4480 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 8806 times:

God, one could only wish.  Sad

Our new pan am is nothing like the original except for flying 727s and the logo on the side. hopefully someday it will grow and become a "real" airline.


It would be amazing to have Eastern come back with the same paint scheme and make a go of it again. Maybe try to revive the new interiors idea that Eastern was working on when it went under.


If there are two airlines in the industry that are missed more than any other, it's Eastern and Pan Am, and I say that knowing full well of the existence of Pan Am III.


User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 8791 times:

I have noticed that outside of the Southeast, Airtran and ATA are confused with each other often.

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 8735 times:

Amtran.... Airtran.... can ya blame 'em?

User currently offlineSonicKidatBWI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 8703 times:

Again I would like to thank everyone for their valuable input. I would give anything to see EAL and PANAM (excuse me . . . the REAL PANAM) back again. I would love to see the old Silver and Blue Eastern Air Lines planes shining gracefully.

Startvalve

LOL LOL LOL LOL!!! I love that post! "Lawn Darts"! Hillarious stuff!  Nuts


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17444 posts, RR: 46
Reply 19, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 8656 times:

"I agree AirTran should change their name to Eastern. "

Why on earth would you want that? Nobody has a positive association with Eastern Airlines, not the former employees, not the customers, not anyone!



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineCactus739 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2445 posts, RR: 31
Reply 20, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 8589 times:

Startvalve and SonicKid...

That game of "lawn darts" as you call it was an airplane that had 110 people on it that died that day. Not funny.




You can't fix stupid.... - Ron White
User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17444 posts, RR: 46
Reply 21, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 8546 times:

"I would love to see the old Silver and Blue Eastern Air Lines planes shining gracefully.
"

I bet if you hold your breath reeeeeeeeeal good, it just may happen!



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 22, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 8509 times:

Maverick M11 is right, while some of us here have fond memories of Eastern (I know that I do, my first flight as a 3 year old was from JFK to MIA on a DC8); at this point in time, most of the flying public does not really remember Eastern, and those that do remember, have harsh memories. Eastern was a great airline, but it had its labor problems, and was already having a difficult financial time when Lorenzo came in and then things only got worse. Most people only remember Eastern as that bankrupt airline (such a shame) and they are basically correct, EA went bankrupt twice and finally liquidated.

AirTran certainly has little to gain by changing its name to Eastern. AirTran, by some miracle, pulled off one name change, and I do not think that they will try their luck again.

I live in Europe, and many people do confuse AirTran, AmTransAir, Amtrak and the AirTrain @ EWR!



User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17444 posts, RR: 46
Reply 23, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 8443 times:

True true, Dutchjet, and moreover, the public could not care less if Eastern 'came back', with the exception of the nuts on this site (myself included). They tried bringing back Ozark Airlines, and the public did not even take notice, and now bringing back the wondeful Ozark experience (whatever that means) has resulted in a bunch of parked Dornier aircraft in the Midwest.


E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3412 posts, RR: 16
Reply 24, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8373 times:

I have to admit that I rarely post on "nostalgic" posts, but I loved EA!

25 SonicKidatBWI : Cactus739 Thanks "dad" for your input but of course there always has to be that one person who finds controversy in everything. Of course you took Sta
26 PresRDC : Yes, all the memories I have of EAL from the late 1980s/early 1990s were the negative comments of other people. While it may have been a top notch ope
27 Petazulu : I do not have positive associations with Eastern Airlines. It only conjures up images of labor strife, bad customer service, and dingy airplanes. I do
28 BR715-A1-30 : It sure would be nice to se EA's livery on a 717. It sure is a shame people were so greedy at EA. And Frank Lorenzo only made it worse. I will agree t
29 Srbmod : The number one reason why the "New Eastern" did not get past the planning stages is because of the creditors of Eastern owned the Eastern name and log
30 Post contains images Tiger119 : The only problem I had with flying on Eastern was the fact to go any where on Eastern from the Midwest was that you HAD to fly through ATL! Back then,
31 RobINDYHP : Eastern's people took their chance with a startup in the Kiwi name.
32 BlackBox : Come on, guys - let's stop with all the "lawn dart"/"swamp javelin" stuff. Not cool. I'm generally almost impossible to offend but I am here. I really
33 Startvalve : OK I considered it...
34 SonicKidatBWI : Ok. This post has gotten FAAAARRRR off it's original topic. I was inquiring on what ever happened to the restart-up proposal. This topic wasn't meant
35 Wedgetail737 : We need another west coast LLC...TED is not included...like Westpac or something.
36 Post contains images EA CO AS : We need another West Coast LCC like a fish needs a bicycle. Ted, Southwest, Frontier, America West..even Alaska to a degree - how many LCCs do you nee
37 AirportGuy1971 : So far though none of the revival attempts have been a success except possibly Pan Am 3, which is in business and which we can only assume is profitab
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