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Delta And Continental Say Goodbye To First Class?  
User currently offline7574EVER From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 478 posts, RR: 4
Posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6758 times:

I was on a Southwest flight yesterday afternoon and the two women sitting next to me were discussing the fact that SWA has no first class seats. One of them mentioned that Delta and Continental were going to be getting rid of their first class. Has anyone heard anything about this being true?


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User currently offlineBoingGoingGone From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6682 times:

Nothing confirmed, but possible on short haul flights up to 1 1/2 hours.


Stay tuned.


User currently offlineRoberta From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6622 times:

They'll never get rid of them on long haul i can assure you that. but removing short haul 1st is not out of the question.

User currently offlineBoingGoingGone From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6611 times:

They'll never get rid of them on long haul.

Good God no. That would be suicide.


User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 4, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6575 times:

Why would it be suicide? Even though I don't think it would be a clever move, there are many world class airlines like SAS who offer no F cabin.


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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6575 times:

I doubt it. Most trips are under 500 miles, and let me tell you, first is always full on the flights I am on.

If it is elite upgrades or not, the biz pax will find another way of getting there.

"we" are already ticked off at the plethora of CRJ/ERJ's around, the only saving grace are NW DC-9's and XJ's ARJ's.

sidebar: Why would anyone believe anything a WN pax says? That should really be the title of this thread

[Edited 2004-03-23 15:49:42]

User currently offlineBoingGoingGone From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6511 times:

I doubt it. Most trips are under 500 miles, and let me tell you, first is always full on the flights I am on.

95% of the First class seats on short hauls are upgrades or non-revs. It's a losing proposition cost wise.


User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6479 times:

Yes, I pay full fare coach and get upgraded. So, tell me how it is a losing proposition cost wise?

User currently offlineJblake1 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 293 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6457 times:

dtwclipper.. any idea when those NW DC9's will be retired?  Acting devilish

User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6437 times:

Re: They'll never get rid of them on long haul.
Good God no. That would be suicide.

They already did. CO and DL don't offer First Class on international flights - their Business First and Business Elite products are Business Class, not First. Even domestically, neither operates 3-class aircraft, so they could call First Class (Domestic) Business Class, and stop trying to kid the world they offer First Class.


User currently offlineORD2PHL From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6434 times:

Yes, I pay full fare coach and get upgraded. So, tell me how it is a losing proposition cost wise?

Because you are paying full Y and getting F service, the airline is loosing out on additional revenue.


User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6423 times:

Jblake1,

As I have said before: AA will retire it's current livery when NW updates its DC-9 Fleet.

LOL


I hope never. Let me tell you, I would rather fly on a reliable DC-9-10 DTW-CVG than on a Pinnacle RJ.

dtwclipper


User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6364 times:

ORD2PHL,

You're not making sense. Full fare coach, is paid by how many leisure pax who travel 120+ segments a year on an airline? Uh none. My full fare coach tickets, of say $760.00+ DTW-CVG more then over comes any loss, as a matter of fact, I would even say that I am subsidizing the discounted fares by paying for the flexibility I need in a full Y fare.


As a NW platinum elite, I am upgraded almost immediately on Domestic flights. At the gate, there are usually gold and silver vying for the remaining unsold F/C seats.

I don't care about the food, (the drinks are nice after a long day) but I use the space to work. I don't need to be kicked by Johnny behind me, or herded like cattle when I pay a premium price over the course of a year.




User currently offlineNonRevKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6329 times:

Do not believe anything you hear other passengers say.

Brian - SPOT THIS!


User currently offlineKrags From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6284 times:

I don't see how you could manage this. You would have certain planes with first class and then certain planes without. You would never be able to sub aircraft. It would be a mess. Besides, Delta is slowly giving all short haul flying over to Delta Connection. They will never come out with a press release stating this but if you look at their schedules you will see that is what is happening.

User currently offlineBusinessboy From Norway, joined Mar 2004, 211 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6268 times:

Sorry, there arent any First Class on Delta and Continental, only Business Class.Still, on the short haul, does Continental have Business or First, i know they dont have both...

 Smile  Smile



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User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8577 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6236 times:

First class doesn't make much sense. Hardly anyone pays for it and it costs the airlines a bundle. A lot of airlines are getting rid of it, even the all mighty SQ, and going with expanded business class and premium economy instead. Everyone knows that airlines make 60% of their revenue from business passengers so it only makes sense to expand the business class service.
There will always be first class, but that will be limited to a very small number of routes.

With the cost of private/semi-private jets continuing to go down, people who can affort $10,000+ for a ticket, will not put up with the herds and airport non-sense to fly on a regular carrier. You're seeing that happen today already.

Actually, as someone pointed out, in the US domestic market first class is no more than a fare category or a label. No one really offers first class service anymore. Most domestic F cabins I've seen on AA, UA, DL, don't look like first class to me at all.


User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5202 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6173 times:

This is one of the most rediculous threads ever. Delta or Continental will never get rid of first class, or some type of premium carrier. As a previous member posted--you would have too many different configurations--it would be a financial disaster.


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User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6912 posts, RR: 34
Reply 18, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6086 times:

Put the crack pipe down and no one will get hurt!!!

 Nuts


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13704 posts, RR: 61
Reply 19, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6072 times:
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95% of the First class seats on short hauls are upgrades or non-revs.

Source, please? And "I heard that somewhere," doesn't count.



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User currently offlineBoingGoingGone From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6057 times:

They already did. CO and DL don't offer First Class on international flights - their Business First and Business Elite products are Business Class, not First. Even domestically, neither operates 3-class aircraft, so they could call First Class (Domestic) Business Class, and stop trying to kid the world they offer First Class.

Both Business services trump first on a majority of carriers.


User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6473 posts, RR: 32
Reply 21, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6009 times:
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I find it hard to believe they will get rid of their first class cabin. First of all, it's not a losing proposition. It's a good marketing strategy and a competitive advantage. Second, if they are on their way to joining Skyteam, and at least CO unoficially did already, no premium passenger would fly them as all the other carriers in Skyteam have first class except maybe CSA and Alitalia, which anyways have some form of European premium class. They would become the Southwest of Skytema and who wants that?

User currently offlineBoingGoingGone From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5986 times:

As a cost saving measure, it makes sense to do so on short hop flights. However, it doesn't make sense to do so on longer haul flights. As an example....

You may only have a coach option for the short hop from SFO-SLC, but from SLC to MCO, you'd have the option of the Business or First product. Another example... From SFO to CVG you would have the Business or First product available, but not for the quick hop from CVG to ORD.


User currently offlineRoberta From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5980 times:

Sorry, there arent any First Class on Delta and Continental, only Business Class


Business class on Delta and Continetal is their first class.........duh


User currently offlineManchesterMAN From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 1234 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5969 times:

I can understand why they do it, but calling the seats up front "first class" on domestic routes is a bit strange when you consider they are not as good as the business seats on the long haul aircraft. With CO you fly Business on a 767 and get a better seat than first class on a 737! Same with the rest of the US carriers.


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25 XJRamper : I know for a fact that NW does sell first class seats, however, only 2-4 seats are actual first class tickets. The rest of the persons sitting in 1st
26 Tcfc424 : First of all, if you will look at the websites and play with the schedules, a full Y fare is MORE than a discounted F fare...where's the cost problem?
27 Post contains links FlyingDoctorWu : Both Business services trump first on a majority of carriers. That statement is completely not true... I have flown BusinessFirst, BizElite, World Bus
28 MaverickM11 : "95% of the First class seats on short hauls are upgrades or non-revs. It's a losing proposition cost wise. " If there is no where to upgrade, then wh
29 Post contains images 777gk : "Believe none of what you hear, and half of what you see." - Tony Soprano First class isn't going anywhere on Continental any time soon. We believe we
30 UnitedFirst : FlyingDoctorWu, That statement is completely not true... I have flown BusinessFirst, BizElite, World Business, Envoy- whatever you want to call the pr
31 Dalmd88 : Dl has already finished the test marketing on elimating premium cabins on short haul flights. When the 737-800 was removed from the Shuttle they moved
32 BoingGoingGone : You cannot compare Singapore Airlines First Class to any U.S. carrier's international Business Class service, that's for sure! True. As was the rest o
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