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Why Does AF Switch To 777 CDG- LAX In Summer?  
User currently offlineAvi8tir From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 410 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 5 months 18 hours ago) and read 4525 times:
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I noticed that in the winter half of the year AF uses 744 on this route. Why is it that they switch to the smaller 777 during summer. I thought that summer was peak. what the deal?


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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17015 posts, RR: 67
Reply 1, posted (10 years 5 months 18 hours ago) and read 4503 times:

'cause there is less demand................
'cause the 744 is needed somewhere else................
'cause winter is the peak, since if you want some heat in summer you can just stay in France, and LA is frigging hot in summer............



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User currently offlineCOEWRNJ From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1064 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (10 years 5 months 18 hours ago) and read 4461 times:

Starlionblue
Isn't summer the peak time for U.S. travelers to visit Europe? That's why airlines or at least the U.S. airlines increase capacity to Europe, so that doesn't really explain why AF would down size their aircraft for the summer.


User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (10 years 5 months 18 hours ago) and read 4441 times:

Does the frequency remain the same?


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User currently offlineMaersk737 From Denmark, joined Feb 2004, 702 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (10 years 5 months 18 hours ago) and read 4432 times:

Maybe the normal 744 is in for a shower  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17015 posts, RR: 67
Reply 5, posted (10 years 5 months 18 hours ago) and read 4393 times:

Haha well said Maersk737.

The increase in US demand may not be enough to compensate for the decrease in Eurodemand.



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User currently offlineStock1985 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 83 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 5 months 18 hours ago) and read 4365 times:

Starlionblue: Your flip comments on this forum are truly unnecessary.

My guess for the 777 taking over the service is because LA is a premium market for Air France, and as all the 747's are having 1st Class cabins removed from their aircraft. Since all of the 777 will retain the first class cabin, the switch from the 747 is to continue to carry high yeild passengers


User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (10 years 5 months 18 hours ago) and read 4344 times:

What is AF's configurations on their 744s and 772s? Is it a really a significant drop in capacity? I think only the capacity in the premium cabins will be effected.


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User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (10 years 5 months 18 hours ago) and read 4330 times:

My guess for the 777 taking over the service is because LA is a premium market for Air France, and as all the 747's are having 1st Class cabins removed from their aircraft. Since all of the 777 will retain the first class cabin, the switch from the 747 is to continue to carry high yeild passengers

The 744s won't be configured for a while yet,AFAIK.


User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5613 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (10 years 5 months 18 hours ago) and read 4279 times:

The two 777 CDG-LAX_CDG flights do add capacity vs the single 744 service..but there still the evening 744 CDG-LAX-PPT-LAX-CDG run in addition to this..so we see an AF 744 every evening except one.

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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17015 posts, RR: 67
Reply 10, posted (10 years 5 months 18 hours ago) and read 4260 times:

Stock1985, I'm just speculating. I really don't know the real reason.

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User currently offlineUshermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2965 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (10 years 5 months 18 hours ago) and read 4233 times:

According to AF, the AC with the largest capacity in total pax is the 772.
At least according to their magazine. I guess the 773 will carry even more. So it's more of a drop of yield.



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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17015 posts, RR: 67
Reply 12, posted (10 years 5 months 17 hours ago) and read 4210 times:

?

I'm confused. Yield/capacity? 772>744? I'm sure that you have a valid point, I'm obviously just too dumb to get it.



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User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2159 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (10 years 5 months 17 hours ago) and read 4216 times:

from what i know about AF i would say that they need to reduce their first/business class product during the summertime. at least from the east coast i know that AF offers ridiculous promotions for first & business in the summer because all the extra capacity is put on for economy, but there are more F/J seats than they need.

i don't know about configurations, but perhaps B777 has fewer F/J seats than B744.

also, as implied above, there are probably some markets that have severe spikes in demand during the summer months that would demand the B744, while LAX might have a more even seasonality.

LAST July, AF used their B744s to:
BEY, 1/week
JFK, 14
JNB, 7
LAX/PPT, 3
MEX, 7
MIA, 7
MRU, 7
NRT, 14
SFO, 7
YUL, 7
CAY, 7

Right now, they use their B744s to:
BKK/MNL, 7
JFK, 7
JNB, 7
LAX, 7
LAX/PPT, 3
MEX, 7
MIA, 7
MRU, 7
NRT, 7
PEK, 7

YUL is DEFINITELY going to be a market with huge swings in demand, and perhaps pulling a B744 from LAX and putting it on YUL will be more profitable than leaving a smaller aircraft on the YUL route.


User currently offlineAirGabon From Switzerland, joined Dec 2003, 880 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (10 years 5 months 17 hours ago) and read 4182 times:

During summer, AF flies to LAX 2 daily B772 + 4 weekly B744 (CDG-LAX-Tahiti-LAX-CDG) + a code share agreement with Air Tahiti Nui (A343: PPT-LAX-CDG-LAX-PPT).

So that's a larger capacity in total than the single B744 during winter.


User currently offlineAaway From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1521 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (10 years 5 months 16 hours ago) and read 4083 times:

I believe this is a seasonality capacity adjustment. Peak season for U. S. - Europe travel will necessitate more frequency. Coincides somewhat with the winnowing of France/U. S. - Tahiti travel for the winter months.


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User currently offlineUa777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (10 years 5 months 16 hours ago) and read 4021 times:

Put size a side for a second and think about the a/c it self. I could care less if it's December or August I would take a 777 over a 744 any day!


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