N670UW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1600 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3228 times:
I know there are only three dormant routes - Charlotte-Paris, Philadelphia-Brussels, and Pittsburgh-Paris (however, I think the CLT-CDG right may have been moved to PIT-CDG, which was flown after CLT-CDG - both have since been discontinued though).
FlyingDoctorWu From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3053 times:
Ahh I remember flying PI CLT-LGW when I was maybe 8 yrs old (or maybe it was 10)-1989 I think. I think it was my first transatlantic flight- what a trip that turned was. 3 days in London then BA 757 (first 757 flight also- I remember at the time thinking that they were very uncomfortable for some reason) LHR-BA), Turkey">IST. Maybe it was because I was used to widebodies on longer flights- which is a scarcity now and I totally dont mind the 737/757/A32x transcon... Then I lost track of the airlines and airplane types unfortunately but I know we went BA), Turkey">IST-CAI. And then somehow we ended up in TLV and then in Jordan but I can't remember how, via what equipment- which is a shame. Could you even fly from CAI-TLV in 1989? Anyway I think we flew Royal Jordanian back to London and completed the LGW-CLT flight on PI... I loved PI- it was really the only airline that served my hometown (FLO) but when US took it over there was no drop in service with access to a larger domestic network...
A330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 45
Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3013 times:
The routes US has discontinued are CLT-CDG, PIT-CDG, BWI-LGW, BOS-FRA, and PHL-BRU. BRU is the only European city US has pulled out of entirely.
There are lots of routes US could fly if it wanted to. Back in the day, US had to apply for its PHL/CLT/PIT-PAR rights, for example. (In fact, it applied for BOS-PAR, but lost to AA.) But now, the US and France have open skies, making the whole idea of "rights" lose a bit of meaning. US Airways now holds broad all-points US-France authority, meaning it can (basically) operate between any point in the United States and any point in France. Similarly, US Airways holds broad US-Netherlands authority, and broad US-United Kingdom (except LGW/LHR) authority, just for examples.
And just because they don't currently hold an authority doesn't mean they can't get it. There are plenty of authorities that they don't hold that they could get if they wanted. Indeed, they can even sometimes get authorities which are seemingly forbidden by bilaterals. US recently applied for MCO-BDA authority. MCO is not a valid gateway to BDA according to the US-UK bilateral. However, the UK permitted the route to be flown on an extrabilateral basis, and US Airways was granted the authority. BDA is obviously not in Europe, but the example holds.
Obviously, the LHR/LGW market, in particular, isn't quite as liberal as most.
[Edited 2004-03-25 05:53:51]
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