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What If: Boeing 767 Question  
User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 17
Posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3961 times:

What if, instead of configuring the Boeing 767 2-3-2, the airlines had originally configured the plane with a 4-4 configuration. Obviously passengers would have been driven nuts by the configuration, but on some of those short-haul high-demand domestic routes, for example, wouldn't it make more sense to have the extra column of seats? Obviously, I am not asking about passenger comfort here...


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User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2686 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3931 times:

That's even worse than the 2-5-2 found on DC-10s, MD-11s, and some 777s. People can't stand to be in the middle seat of 5 with 2 on each side; how do you think people would react to 3 people next to you? Also, one aisle would not be enough to handle all those people - it's tough on a 752 as it is.

User currently offlineYVRtoYYZ From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 660 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3909 times:

What you have suggested may have yielded most passenger miles and higher revenue for the airline, but I doubt that the FAA would have granted permission due to emergency evacuation concerns and feasibility.

-YVRtoYYZ


User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3885 times:

Cory-I wasn't asking from the passengers perspective...any sane soul would HATE being a passenger in a 767 with a 4-4 layout. I was asking, though, if it would make the economics better for the plane, almost to the point where it would make a 7E7 with two aisles redundant...


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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3851 times:

The 767 introduced "wide-body" comfort to many routes that were too big for the 1st generation jumbo jets, and the 2-3-2 seating was offered since it offered the maximum level of comfort. A 4-4 layout would have gone against every idea in the 767 development plan - the 767 was the twin aisle airliner and the 757 was the single aisle airliner in the 180-250 seat market.

I also think that a 4-4 single aisle 767 would not have been certified, the time it would take to evacuate the aircraft in the event of an emergency would take far too long...in a 4-4 layout, we are talking about almost 300 people through one aisle.


User currently offlineSk945 From Sweden, joined May 2002, 432 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3831 times:

SHUPirate1,
In that case it would be better to do a 2-4-2 config. as Britannia (and perhaps some others) have in there B762 and B763.
Its terrible, but on short routes it might work.


User currently offlineJtdieffen From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3826 times:

It would probably impede evacuation procedures. Since there would only be one aisle, passengers would not be able to get out as fast. From a crew perspective, it might work, since you could do it with fewer staff...but that means more passengers per F/A.

Final judgement: probably wouldn't work, or be worth it if it did work.



Regards! JDief
User currently offlineBoeing nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3804 times:

Doubt it would have ever happened. Two words; evactuation timing. With only one isle, I don't think that the 90 second rule would have been met. A 2-4-2 arrangement is availble on the 767 anyways.

User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3727 times:

Sk945, Boeing nut-2-4-2 on a 767? No thanks...I'll walk...I'd walk with a 4-4 also, but at least the seats would be humane, as long as I didn't have to get up from a window seat...

[Edited 2004-03-25 21:55:05]


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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3639 times:

Yep, 2-4-2 on a 767 - this configuration is popular with british tour operators operating holiday flights.

Think of this, a 2-4-2 configured 767 on a 26 hour flight:

London-sharjah-singapore-Sydney

Britannia operated this flight for several years, and the flights were just about always 100% capacity!


User currently offlineSk945 From Sweden, joined May 2002, 432 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3607 times:

Well, I have tried a 14,5 hour flight from ARN-HKT with stop in Sharjah with Britannias B763 and I would say that's one of the worst flight experience I ever have had.

User currently offlineBrons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3013 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3555 times:

Think of this, a 2-4-2 configured 767 on a 26 hour flight:

London-sharjah-singapore-Sydney


Cripes, count me out. I don't even think I'd fit in the seats. (6'7"-250 or 200cm, 105KG for you metric folks). British people must be smaller than Germans and Scandinavians, that's for sure.



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User currently offlineRamerinianair From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3495 times:

Everybody always complains about the middle seat of 2-5-2. It's not that bad! If you want to get out it's like the 3-3-3 on the sides(not the middle 3). The good part is that when you do get up you barther the right side the first time and then the left side so you don't feel bad and can move throughout the cabin freely whenever you want. Also, if you are traveling by yourself, It's absolutely stupid to be there, but if you are part of 3 or more it's great(Well I like it anyway)!

-S.R.



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9651 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3414 times:

The only plausible configurations are 2-3-2 and 2-4-2. Theoretically it would be ok to have 4-4, but in order to meet the FAA requirement of evacuating the entire airplane in 90 seconds or less using 1/2 the exits, there would need to be many more exit doors, and the space lost to these would counter act the benefit of having 8 abreast seating. The 757 was difficult enough being that it is a long narrowbody with as many as 12 exits in it, I can't imagine a 767, and what the structural integrity and weight of all those exits would do.


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User currently offlineRoberta From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3326 times:

4-4 on a 767, ha i am still waiting for 2-2-2-2 on a 777

User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3750 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3067 times:

2-2-2-2 on a B777, with no central overhead bins, is unlikely.

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