KLM777 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2003, 372 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3427 times:
Look at the pedestrial panel, they are just Marlboro Lights, so they'll kill much slower... Anyway I'm not surprised by this picture, I've heard from a pilot on this forum that he too smokes in the cockpit (was very surprised then when reading it though).
RareBear From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 553 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3098 times:
I was about to get my wife to rush over here and read this thread about smocking in the cockpit, when I discovered it was a typo. Oh well! I was hopeful we could generate some kind of common interest between sewing and aviation. Get to spend some quality time together. I guess it's not to be. I'm just destined to be one of those folks with AIDS (Airport Induced Divorce Syndrome).
Skydrolboy From Canada, joined Sep 2003, 341 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2995 times:
yes is is illegal in the US but that doesnt mean that all pilots are following the rules. There are no smoke detection systems in the cockpit, and now that the cockpit door is always locked with no visitors alowed its kinda hard for the FAA to catch them in the act. I know several pilots who smoke in the cockpit, I even know of a few pilots and mechanics who know how to disable the smoke detector in the lav, and will have a cigarette mid flight.
TheGreatChecko From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1138 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2480 times:
Where in the FAR's does it say that smoking is illegal in the cockpit?
It does say smoking is not permitted when the "No Smoking" sign is illuminated, it says nothing prohibiting crewmembers:
91.517 Passenger information.
(a) Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this section, no person may operate an airplane carrying passengers unless it is equipped with signs that are visible to passengers and flight attendants to notify them when smoking is prohibited and when safety belts must be fastened. The signs must be so constructed that the crew can turn them on and off. They must be turned on during airplane movement on the surface, for each takeoff, for each landing, and when otherwise considered to be necessary by the pilot in command.
(b) The pilot in command of an airplane that is not required, in accordance with applicable aircraft and equipment requirements of this chapter, to be equipped as provided in paragraph (a) of this section shall ensure that the passengers are notified orally each time that it is necessary to fasten their safety belts and when smoking is prohibited.
(c) If passenger information signs are installed, no passenger or crewmember may smoke while any "no smoking" sign is lighted nor may any passenger or crewmember smoke in any lavatory.
Part 121.317 actually explains how smoking is allowable in the flight deck, even if the "No Smoking" sign is turned on :
(g) No person may smoke while a "No Smoking" sign is lighted or while "No Smoking" placards are posted, except as follows:
(1) Supplemental operations. The pilot in command of an airplane engaged in a supplemental operation may authorize smoking on the flight deck (if it is physically separated from any passenger compartment), but not in any of the following situations:
(i) During airplane movement on the surface or during takeoff or landing;
(ii) During scheduled passenger-carrying public charter operations conducted under part 380 of this title; or
(iii) During any operation where smoking is prohibited by part 252 of this title or by international agreement.
(2) Certain intrastate domestic operations. Except during airplane movement on the surface or during takeoff or landing, a pilot in command of an airplane engaged in a domestic operation may authorize smoking on the flight deck (if it is physically separated from the passenger compartment) if
(i) Smoking on the flight deck is not otherwise prohibited by part 252 of this title;
(ii) The flight is conducted entirely within the same State of the United States (a flight from one place in Hawaii to another place in Hawaii through the airspace over a place outside of Hawaii is not entirely within the same State); and
(iii) The airplane is either not turbojet-powered or the airplane is not capable of carrying at least 30 passengers.
Its basically the same for Part 135 operations!
The only place that smoking is specifically not allowed is in the lavatory, thats stated a bunch of times, $2,000 fine, blah, blah, blah.
Its not the best or healthiest of habits, but the FAR's don't stop you from smoking up there. However, its usually company policy.
"A pilot's plane she is. She will love you if you deserve it, and try to kill you if you don't...She is the Mighty Q400"
B747skipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2354 times:
(1) 98.7% of the population smokes. The 1.3% missing are babies in cribs...
(2) Everybody smokes, particulatly induced when a "no smoking" sign is posted.
(3) All but 17 pilots of Aerolineas will quit if they cannot do it in THEIR cockpit.
(4) All but 4 flight attendants will quit if they cannot go to cockpit to smoke.
We have 2 non-smoking captains. Their first officers are always sick and need to be replaced. Cannot find anyone willing to fly with them. I told them to go on 100% oxygen for the flight. Blast these morons.
Happy (smocky) contrails - puff puff puff...