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User currently offlineArrow From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 2676 posts, RR: 2
Posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 11704 times:
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Not a bad little story in the National Post this morning -- especially the lady who thought she was in San Francisco on a rare snowy day.


Yellowknife overheated by Californian aircraft mechanics who breeze into Arctic tanned and underdressed
 
Nathan VanderKlippe
CanWest News Service (The Edmonton Journal)


Friday, March 26, 2004
YELLOWKNIFE - A broken-down jetliner has made a team of bronzed California aircraft mechanics temporary celebrities in this northern city.

"I don’t know what [the mechanics] are doing downtown, but they’re sure meeting up with the girls," said airport manager Michel Lafrance, laughing at an e-mail he has just received from a woman eager for a tour of the crippled United Airlines Boeing-777 parked on the Yellowknife tarmac.

"Met her in the bar, now she wants to visit the plane," he said.

A city of 18,000, Yellowknife is wired with the same dense gossip networks found in any small town. And it’s not every day a plane the size of a 777 dressed in United’s grey and blue pulls into the airport after losing an engine last Friday, mid-way between Frankfurt and San Francisco.

Mix in a little stereotype about unwitting southerners meeting the North’s bracing cold, and the town is a-twitter about the plane and the men who are fixing it — the men who parachuted into the Arctic wearing nothing but T-shirts and shorts, then beat a quick path to a Yellowknife outfitter for some proper winter clothes.

Or so the rumours go.

"That’s a big exaggeration," said Ken Weaver, the man who outfitted the dozen mechanics with neck warmers, hats and boots after they discovered their own winter gear was too thin to fend off the cold in the North, where a resurgence of winter has brought with it windchills in the -50s.

"They didn’t come here in their Bermuda shorts," said the owner of Yellowknife’s Weaver & Devore.

That’s not to say the rumour mill is completely wrong. Mechanics on United’s field services team take Arctic survival training in Anchorage, and train to operate in more remote and more northerly places than Yellowknife. It’s part of preparing for the inevitable equipment failures on the growing number of flights travelling shorter distances by flying routes over the Earth’s poles.


Every day, as many as 40 of those pass near Yellowknife, and occasionally one will land with a sick passenger or aircraft emergency.


But it’s hard to prepare for mornings at -43C when the temperature in San Francisco is 15C.

"It sure gave them a wake-up call," said Curtis Mercredi. He took most of the mechanics on their first ice snowmobiling and fishing trip as they waited for a 7,000-kilogram replacement engine to be trucked to Yellowknife.

"They’d never even driven on a frozen lake before so they were kind of scared," he said. "They couldn’t believe the ice was actually hard enough to grow four feet thick, and kind of amazed that it actually does thaw out during the summertime. It was a whole new different world for them."

Many of the 259 passengers, who were stuck in Yellowknife for about seven hours while United flew up another plane, had the same reaction. One Iranian woman couldn’t speak English. When she heard the passengers applaud after the one-engine landing, she assumed they were happy because the plane had arrived three hours early.

"At first she thought she had landed in San Francisco and she was trying to go out to see her children," said Kayhan Nadji, a Yellowknife architect and Farsi speaker who was called out to the airport to help the woman, who was initially confused by the landscape outside her airplane window.

"She said: ‘I remember my son told me it’s very warm and don’t bring warm clothing. But it seems full of snow here.’"

The unscheduled stop gave both passengers and mechanics a chance for a surprise tour of Canada’s North.

Some passengers were put on buses to tour Yellowknife, and even presented with several Mounties in red serge for photos. The mechanics, who were busy installing the new engine Thursday, have sampled northern delicacies such as muskox and arctic char and taken late-night tours to see the northern lights.

"They’re absolutely enamoured with the place," said Wally Krutz, manager of line maintenance with United.

And the Californians even got the last laugh. While most northerners ran inside to escape the unseasonable cold, it was the boys from the south —newly-purchased neck warmers powdered with frozen breath — who were outside fixing the airplane.



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User currently offlineKALB From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 573 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 11527 times:

Any photos of the aircraft stuck in Yellowknife?

User currently offlineTonyBurr From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1021 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11235 times:

That UA 777 is STILL there ?!?!?! What is wrong with it that it is taking so long???

User currently offlineTheFLCowboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10943 times:

Its good to see that UA took care of the pax when they were stuck there. Usually you dont get a tour of the scenery on a MX failure.

Wouldn't it have been quicker to fly an engine in there rather than truck it?



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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13039 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10768 times:

Don't forget that a 777's engine is HUGE!!!, and probably to get a a/c large enough, available and able to operate in that enviroment may not have been possible. That is a great article ARROW. At least everybody got a taste of a very unique place. Any idea when the a/c will be leaving Yellowknife? I hope the costs of this - probably a couple of $100k's - won't hurt UA much!

User currently offlineUa777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10699 times:


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Pretty cool to me!


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User currently offlineTheFLCowboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10675 times:

I know the engine is enormous. I heard on a tv show that they had a freighter aircraft that the main deck was large enough to transport one of those monsters. One would think they would want to get the plane back into service ASAP as it would be loosing more money per day than it would be currently so they would get the engine there as fast as they could.

Just my thoughts.



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User currently offlineFlyingbronco05 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3840 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10485 times:

Im sooooo confused.

1) Where is yellowknife?

2) If the population is so small, why do they have an airport that can fit a 777?

3) The mechanics parachuted into the Arctic wearing nothing but T-shirts and shorts, then beat a quick path to a Yellowknife outfitter for some proper winter clothes. Why didn't the mechanics fly in?

4) Why didn't the pilots land at an airport where UA serves?

Sorry. I read this 4 times and i'm still so confused  Confused



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User currently offlinePA110 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1995 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10270 times:
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There was previous thread about the 777 in Yellowknife that would have explained this. The 777 was diverted enroute from Europe due to an engine malfunction. The runway is just long enough for the aircraft to take off (without a full load of fuel and passengers). UA had to send mechanics up to Yellowknife to replace the engine. The mechanics did not parachute in. That was journalistic license. They were flown to Yellowknife. There are no airports in the Canadian arctic served by United. When there is a mechanical malfunction serious enough to cause a diversion, the pilot lands wherever his company advises.


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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10181 times:

Let me help, FlyingBronco05:

The UA777 was flying from FRA to SFO and had an engine failure, in accordance with procedure, the aircraft diverted to the nearest possible airport that could handle the airliner, which was Yellowknife, in the northern territories of Canada (look at a map, find Edmonton, and go a couple of thousand miles north). Yellowknife has an airport with a long runway for many reasons, including military defense, and the fact that in the great white north, the population is really almost 100% reliant on airplanes for travel and goods. UA sent another 777 up to Yellowknife to pick up and standed passengers and get them to SFO. The "broken" 777 is still in Yellowknife being repaired, it is undergoing a complete engine swap....the new engine was flown up by a chartered large Russian designed cargo craft, the only thing that could get the huge engine up there. There are lots of UA (and probably Boeing and PW) people up in Yellowknife at the moment trying to fix this airplane and fly the 777 out of there. The mechanics and engineers did fly in to Yellowknife, and of course had warm clothes, but certainly nothing adequate for the frigid conditions in Yellowknife....did they parachute in? No, the author of the article was having some fun with words to show how the "gossip" surrounding this entire event has affected a small town like Yellowknife.


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13039 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10158 times:

Yellowknife is not far from the Artic Circle, in the Northern Territories/Naviut Territory of far nothern Canada. It is a major area for the mining of uraium, other minerals.
The airport is large there probably from cold war military needs. It is continued today to have an emergency airport for just like what happened.
Of course the mechanics didn't 'parachute' in, they took a plane in. If you read the article you will note that while they did have winter wear, they didn't have the type needed for artic conditions, such as -50F/C as in Yellowknife, so had to get additional clothing suitable for the conditions.
With the ETOPS rules and safety of the passangers, it was probably standard operating procedure to land at the first available emergency airport rather than go to one where UA at.


User currently offlineTjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2422 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10115 times:

1) Q: Where is yellowknife?
A: Northwest Territories- Canada

2) Q: If the population is so small, why do they have an airport that can fit a 777?
A: Air transport is vital for the transportation of cargo and passengers due to the remote nature of Yellowknife, and other towns like it.

3) Q: The mechanics parachuted into the Arctic wearing nothing but T-shirts and shorts, then beat a quick path to a Yellowknife outfitter for some proper winter clothes. Why didn't the mechanics fly in?
A: I'm sure they did fly into Yellowknife- the article was being humorous.

4) Q: Why didn't the pilots land at an airport where UA serves?
A: UA doesn't serve any airport anywhere near Yellowknife.

---------------------------
Name: Yellowknife
IATA: YZF
ICAO: CYZF
Yellowknife, Northwest Territories and Nunavut, Canada
Latitude: 62°27' 46" N
Longitude: 114°26' 25" W
Elevation: 675
Runway Length: 7500 Feet
Runway Length: 5000 Feet



[Edited 2004-03-26 20:45:30]


Direct KNOBS, maintain 2700' until established on the localizer, cleared ILS runway 26 left approach.
User currently offlineSamurai 777 From Canada, joined Jan 2000, 2458 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10113 times:

Flyingbronco05,

1. Yellowknife is in the Northwest Territories, in northern Canada. Click on the link below. (Look directly well north of Edmonton, under the word "TERRITORIES")
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/americas/canada_pol99.jpg

2. The airport is well-equipped to handle 737-200s, which are regular visitors to YZF (Yellowknife). YZF is an important distribution center to the Canadian Arctic.

3. That was more of a figure of speech here in quoting the stereotype. The mechs flew into YZF. But as the article said, ther winter gear wasn't warm enough. Believe me, a windchill of -50C (-58F) is not a very pleasant experience! And I've been through even worse than that. BTW, today's high in YZF is expected to be at only -23C (-10F), although in Edmonton, where I live, it's supposed to be as high as 4C (39F).

4. This was an emergency flight diversion. The pilots had to do the right thing for the safety of passenger and crew when the 777 had only one engine working. There was no time to fly all the way to Edmonton or Calgary.


User currently offlineFtrguy From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10001 times:

FlyingBronco05

Answer to your questions:

1) Yellowknife is a small town in the Northwest of Canada. It is actually the capital of the of the Northwest Territories.

2) I don't know why Yellowknife has such a large airport, but I imagine they get a good deal of their goods and services via airplane because they're in such a remote place.

3) Do you really think the mechanics parachuted in there with sub-zero temperatures? I'm guessing not!

4) If you have some type of emergency, the last thing you care about is whether or not the airport can serve you. If I can safely land there, I'm going. I'll sort the rest of it out while I'm safely on the ground. While the 777 can fly just fine on one engine, the pilots made the right decision to put it down and not risk any other problems. It might be somewhat of an inconvenience, but hey, you'll be able to fly again another day.


User currently offlineJblake1 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 292 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9932 times:

hmm.. sounds to me like 'Grease Monkeys' turn women on worldwide huh?

User currently offlineTheFLCowboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9886 times:

Haha. Yea - i might look at a carreer change.


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User currently offlineYow From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9774 times:

It's quite amusing to read some of the Americans' postings on this thread. Yellowknife (YZF) is the hub of the western arctic in Canada. It links all the other much smaller communities of the Nortwest Territories and western Nunavut with the south. While Yellowknife does have road access to the south, most north of the 60th parallel communities in Canada do not. Hence the heavy reliance on flying for northerners. Also, Yellowknife is not a couple of thousand of miles north of Edmonton, that would be around the north pole. Yellowknife is nowhere near the north pole. It lies between the 62nd and 63rd parallels.

YZF handles 737s multiple times daily by the likes of First Air and Canadian North. Heck First Air even has the country's only commercial C-130 Herc based at the airport. If it were available at the time, the C-130 could have flown in the spare engine from YEG, but that would have cost UA about 50 times more than trucking it to YZF.

Dash8King is one of the experts to ask on here about the NWT.


User currently offlineYVRtoYYZ From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 658 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9742 times:

"This was an emergency flight diversion. The pilots had to do the right thing for the safety of passenger and crew when the 777 had only one engine working. There was no time to fly all the way to Edmonton or Calgary."

This doesn't make sense because even though UA has ETOPS 180, didn't they fly on one engine for 6hrs 48mins when doing their ETOPS certification for the B777 (which, by the way, is the longest amount of time a plane has flown on one engine). The extra amount of time between YFZ is at most 1hr from YEG and thus does not pose much more of a threat....


User currently offlineFlyingbronco05 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3840 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 9460 times:

Thanks for the help guys. One more question....

Was the UA flying east or west. Meaning was he flying from europe over NY, then into SFO, or was he flying europe, over russia (or whatever it is called) then down into SFO?

Actually reading it now, I assume he would be flying Europe, over NY, then into SFO.

Have a good weekend.

FB05



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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 19, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 9332 times:

The UA 777 was flying from Frankfurt to San Francisco.......the routing between Europe and California would not take an aircraft anywhere near Russia or New York in either direction.

User currently offlineLymanm From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 1138 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 9232 times:

"This doesn't make sense because even though UA has ETOPS 180, didn't they fly on one engine for 6hrs 48mins when doing their ETOPS certification for the B777 (which, by the way, is the longest amount of time a plane has flown on one engine). The extra amount of time between YFZ is at most 1hr from YEG and thus does not pose much more of a threat...."

There is a MASSIVE difference between a flight test and a regular revenue flight. When you are responsible for 250+ lives behind you, there is NO such thing as being too conservative. There is a litany of situations that could have exacerbated the problem, causing a major accident. Considering the alternatives, the financial cost of the diversion was negligeable.



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User currently offlineCanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2839 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 9147 times:

After reading both threads about this diversion, and having been to both Yellowknife and Edmonton, I'm surprised they didn't take the plane into Edmonton. The odds of both of them having problems are extreemly low. However, not having access to UA's policies regarding engine out procedures, I can't be that critical.

Also, I haven't heard it mentioned yet, but it would be safe to assume if you were on that flight, your bags are still on that plane. I would doubt that YFZ has the ground equipment to unload the bag cans. One more reason to travel only with hand luggage.



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User currently offlineDash8King From Canada, joined Nov 2001, 2742 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 9002 times:

Its good to see that UA took care of the pax when they were stuck there. Usually you dont get a tour of the scenery on a MX failure.

Actually the City of Yellowknife was for the most part taking care of the pax. The Mayor was their to greet them off the plane. We are not as small as some people think we have close to 20,000 people living here, which is about half off the entire NT.

The bags were unloaded and put on the second plane leaving out. Any UA employees have an idea of when its leaving? The engine is back on today so it shouldn't be much longer.


User currently offlineEspion007 From Denmark, joined Dec 2003, 1691 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8972 times:

This doesn't make sense because even though UA has ETOPS 180, didn't they fly on one engine for 6hrs 48mins when doing their ETOPS certification for the B777 (which, by the way, is the longest amount of time a plane has flown on one engine). The extra amount of time between YFZ is at most 1hr from YEG and thus does not pose much more of a threat....

well,if you were the captain,and an engine sompletleu failed on you,wouldn't the first thing you want to do is land??



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User currently offlineCanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2839 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8901 times:

I stand corrected about the bags. After thinking about it, I'm sure YFZ probably does have the equipment to offload large cargo, which could be easily used to offload the 777.


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25 Post contains links Bombayhog : Flyingbronco05, you could use a geography lesson. I'm not saying that to be mean...I think it would probably be useful for you. This website might hel
26 Ua777222 : The ETOPS running for 6.5hrs is good to know but would never be done in commercial use. The airline sets a limit of how long they can go for on only o
27 BO__einG : The Calgary Hearld had an article about the UA diversion to Yellowknife. Apparently the local women there are "macking down" with the Californian visi
28 Douglasdc8 : The reason the 777 went to Yellowknife vs. Edmonton or Calgary is that, in the flight manual for the 777, there is most likely a sentence in the engin
29 Alessandro : So Air Foyle had to use their AN-124 to save another Tripple-7 (reminds me of the Sydney incident), can´t wait until Boeing got their B744-Belugas fl
30 MEL : The 777 stuck in Yellowknife is expected to reposition to San Francisco tonight as UAL9937.
31 SpeedbirdHeavy : How did the mechanics travel to Yellowknife? Another UAL aircraft I assume. Or, did they come in up in the relief 777? Also, would a 777 flight crew c
32 Ua777222 : I would think that they would come up in a smaller a/c for they were dispatched before another 777 could be brought up by another crew. And it would m
33 Ua815 : As of 2313 EST 26MAR04 Airline United Flight Number 9937 Departure City (Airport) Yellowknife, NT, Canada (YZF) Departure Time 03/26/2004 06:15 PM Arr
34 Ua777222 : So wait, that still has the pax from the original flight?!? I thought they brought in another 777 or was the runway too short? Does any one know how m
35 VS340 : The New engine was flown into YEG on a Cargolux 747, where it was then put on a truck to be hauled up north. The only regular flights up north are on
36 Post contains images Bohica : Bombayhog, Thanks for the link for the great circle mapper. I played with it for an hour. It's in my favorites list now.
37 StevenUhl777 : According to Flightview.com, #9937 is on the ground in SFO now. To quote Jerry Garcia of the Grateful Dead: "What a strange, wonderful trip it's been.
38 Post contains images L-188 : Yellowknife, NWT is about the same catagory as Bethel Alaska. All the big birds fly the grocieries and grandma into there and then the little planes t
39 CanadianNorth : First once a few years ago. Then 2 a/c there. Guess if we wait long enough we shall see the fleet in there! Being from Yellowknife i was there for the
40 Alessandro : VS340 are you sure? the GE90 fit into an existing B747? www.ge.com it is about the size of 135 inches times 287 inches and then it need to be placed o
41 L-188 : You should be able to get that in the rear door. But an actual 747 ramp rat would be better able to answer that. Remember there is no ceiling in the b
42 Bigtee : I am so glad that the patrons of this website are able to answer the same questions again and again and again. I sleep better now. YOW, do you really
43 Stargoldlhr : Anyone know the SN / tail sign for this aircraft, i'm flying back to europe tomorrow from SFO on a UA 777 interested to see if i get it. the picture a
44 Dash8King : No the pax were not here until the plane was fixed, they left 12 hours after.
45 The777Man : Yes, the aircraft that was in YZF was nosenumber 2983 and its N-number is N783UA. The777Man
46 Cloudy : A couple other reasons this was different from the single engine 6.5 hr test flight - - they knew for sure what caused the engine to shut down. They h
47 UALPHLCS : UA employees can attest that in Unimatic you can pull up UA approved divertion cities for the ploar routes. Many are really interesting especially for
48 Afay1 : Having flown to Murmansk twice I can attest that it would be a fine place for a diversion. Where else can one see regular Tupolev/Ilyushin/Antonov t/o
49 Post contains images MYT332 : LOL, looks nice and warm! You can see the new engine being brought in there.
50 Post contains images PanAm747 : Reason #1 why I now record the registration of every aircraft I fly on - I flew this very 777 DEN-ORD last May. Just an interesting bit of trivia (oka
51 Stargoldlhr : I saw this aircraft at SFO on Sunday March 28th. It flew out to Incheon as I returned to Europe.
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