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How Are CO 735's?  
User currently offlineORBITJFK From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 150 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2915 times:

Hello,

How are CO's 735's? i am planning on flying them from EWR-DFW in June.


ORBITJFK

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User currently offlineCdfmxtech From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1338 posts, RR: 27
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2880 times:

Clean, safe, no PTV, seat audio available, no video screens.

User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12323 posts, RR: 35
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2876 times:

I can only agree with the previous post; I flew on them twice, from EWR to GSO and back - fine aircraft, comfortable and safe. They'll get you there and back, no problem.

User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2686 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2822 times:

I think that their stubbiness is kind of cute when you see them from the outside. It's kind of odd to be in the coach cabin and only see ~20 rows. It looks like an ERJ on steroids, in my opinion.

On a totally unrelated and random note, could CO ever replace their 735s with 736s someday? Do they hold the same number of pax?


User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2805 times:

...could CO ever replace their 735s with 736s someday?

Yes, the B735 is about the same size as the B736. But CO does not want the B736. In fact, they ordered 30 B735 and 30 B736 on the same day but later converted the latter into B73G/B738 for whatever reason. And their B735 are realitively young and won't disappear for another decade or two (or maybe three) – their oldest just turned 10-years-old last month (yes, you were still in diapers ten years ago but it’s not exactly old for a $20+ million aircraft) and their youngest was delivered in late 1998 – months after they took delivery of their first B73G and B738 a/c.

[Edited 2004-03-28 20:54:01]

User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2768 times:

(either I pressed 'reply' instead of edit, or I'm expediting my way to 3,000 posts...  Laugh out loud )

[Edited 2004-03-28 20:54:34]

User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2686 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2727 times:

Excuse me, but I was not in diapers at age six, thank you very much.  Big grin

User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2686 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2718 times:

If CO took delivery of their 735s so recently, why didn't they include drop-down LCD screens like their next-gen 73G's and 738s? Some of their 735s are operating long flights (EWR-TUS or EWR-ABQ, for example), and I think that it would be a nice addition.

User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2649 times:

If CO took delivery of their 735s so recently, why didn't they include drop-down LCD screens like their next-gen 73G's and 738s?

Probably a variety of reasons, among them:

1) the a/c were purchased to fly thin short-haul flights of three hours or less in duration; the cancelled B736 were the intended thin long-haul a/c

2) drop-down LCD probably weren’t available on the 737 classic – just the bulky (heavy) isle-mounted T

3) CO had no $$$ to spurge on IFE for short-haul flights in those days; the company was nearly extinct… indeed the B763 that were to be delivered to CO in 1995 for intercontinental flying did not have PTV in Y

4) product consistency for later deliveries… remember that latest B752, which are only a couple years old or so, have the cheesy tiny drop-down bulky/CRT TVs even though drop-down LCD were available. IFE or not, these things are a pain-in-the-ass to look at, especially on long-haul flights like CLE-LGW.

- - -

Remember, in the mid-1990s, CO never intended to fly regional jets on 1,500-mile flights like IAH-BFL… which brings up another question: why don’t the ERJ have PTV?  Laugh out loud

[Edited 2004-03-28 21:21:46]

User currently offlineAsuflyer05 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2371 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2639 times:

If CO took delivery of their 735s so recently, why didn't they include drop-down LCD screens like their next-gen 73G's and 738s? Some of their 735s are operating long flights (EWR-TUS or EWR-ABQ, for example), and I think that it would be a nice addition.

My guess would be because the main mission of the 735 is short haul. CO does not operate EWR-ABQ any more and only briefly operated EWR-TUS over the winter holiday after suspending the route for a while.

Matt


User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2686 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2618 times:

I believe that CO did reinstate Saturday-only EWR-ABQ service, although I might be mistaken.

User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 40
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2616 times:

Continental 735s routinely operate medium-haul routes--DFW-EWR, IAH-JFK for example. They aren't too uncomfortable in Y and the legroom is about standard for CO.


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User currently offlineCAL From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 498 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2562 times:

Asuflyer05, CO does fly EWR-ABQ
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great plane but the NG's are better



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User currently offlineFlyboyaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2537 times:

TUS-EWR ran everyday during the peak holiday season, then was switched to Saturdays only. It's last day of operation will be May 1. Then ABQ will get the flight.

I like them actually, cute little planes and fairly easy to board. They give us short ground times and anything larger would be difficult to get the plane out on time.

 Smile


User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6412 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2483 times:

Continental used to actually have a PTV system on their 735's which featured games, etc. These were installed on some of the aircraft shortly after they were delivered if i'm not mistaken. I took a CO 735 from MSY to EWR in 1995 and the plane did in fact have PTV's; however, they were taken out shortly thereafter. My subsequent CO 735 flights (in 2000 and 2001) did not have any IFE to speak of. Comfortable aircraft though.

Steve/MSY



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User currently offlineThrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2686 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2417 times:

Yeah, MSYTristar, they had to have been taken off shortly after '95...I think that I flew on a CO 735 in 1998...No PTVs. Did they ever install them on their 733's? I remember reading the safety instructions...it said CO 737-300/500. I didn't know what I was flying on! Or my memory is clotted and I don't remember what they said. Anyway, just wondering if CO ever had them on their 733s. Were they ever on the CO DC-10-30s? This is getting interesting.


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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2412 times:

Just to clear up a few points:

1. The CO 735s do not (and as far as I know never had) an IFE system; the 735s generally show up on short routes of 3 hours or less and it was determined that an IFE system was not necessary. As more 737NGs are delivered, and the MD80s are retired, the 735s (along with the 733s) will generally fly short haul routes for CO - of course, from time to time, you will find a 735 on a longer route like EWR-ABQ, but the 735s will be doing mostly short haul work.

2. CO's 757s have the flip down screens every three rows like the 737NG and not the down the aisle monitors. The only CO aircraft with the down the aisle monitors are about 12 733s which were so equipped for longer routes like CLE-LAX, CLE-SFO and the like. The 733 no longer flies such routes, they have been taken over by 737NG aircraft - the video equipped 737s now mostly show up on routes between CLE and Florida.

3. The 735s are very nice aircraft, I flew on one a couple weeks ago on a Saturday only service from FLL-EWR - very comfortable, I enjoyed the small F cabin, and extremely clean on the inside - the interior looked as if the aircraft was fresh from the factory.

4. CO has decided against the 736 and it has also stated that there would be no further orders for the 73G - the 733/735/73G fleet is adequate for CO's needs in the 100-120 seat segment. CO still has a few 738s to be delivered and it seems that the 738 is CO's preferred member of the 737NG series.


User currently offlineThrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2686 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2413 times:

Don't the CO 735s fly IAH-EDM (Houston-Edmonton)?


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User currently offlineFrequentFlyKid From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1206 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2388 times:

They were fairly comfortable, very clean and inviting. Nothing too special and not at all terrible. Enjoyable flight for the one hour and fifteen minutes to/from CLE-EWR.

User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2356 times:

MSYTristar,

You are right. I remember flying a CO 757 from EWR-SAN in February 1996 with the PTV system. I however do not remember the video games available, but I do remember you could order anything from Skymall magazine on the tv's. It was cool, yet short lived.



"Folks that's the news and I'm outta here!" -- Dennis Miller
User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2356 times:

The CO 735s do not (and as far as I know never had) an IFE system

They may have had the FlightLink system, as did HP, which is what MSYTriStar described... a mini-screen that displayed news, sports scores, etc. for a fee.

CO's 757s have the flip down screens every three rows like the 737NG

The B737NG and B753 have flip-down LCD screens, the B752 do not -- they have drop-down bulky CRT screens which are difficult to view.

CO has decided against the 736...

Yes, but they did have an order for 30 aircraft.

...and it has also stated that there would be no further orders for the 73G - the 733/735/73G fleet is adequate for CO's needs in the 100-120 seat segment.

CO has 15 B73G, 38 B738 and 2 B739 left on order.


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2338 times:

Lets agree to diasgree on this one.

User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2356 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2339 times:

No audio entertainment on 737-500s, but I will second Dutchjet's observation that the cabins are very nice. Flew on one MSP-EWR a few weeks ago and was impressed, the only difference between the -500s and the NG's are the ceiling panels, everything else about most of the interiors are the same and most aircraft are immaculate inside. Coach seats have the "wings", same with First Class. All in all a nice little jet especially for hops under 1500 miles.

User currently offlineDeltaflyertoo From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 1637 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2306 times:

Yeah these PTVS you guys speak of on the 735s were Flight LInk. They were also available on COs refurbished DC-9s. They were black and white screens that you could play basic gams, get news and info on. HP also had them installed. The company that made Flight Link went bankrupt, hence they were removed from COs fleet. You can, however, still find the black screens left over on several HP 737s. I would not count Flight LInk as inflight Ent. or even a real PTV. There was talk in the mid 90s of equipping CO 737-500s w/ ceiling mounted TVs like Dutchjet pointed out some 733s had, but $$$ was of essence at the time and that project never materialized.

User currently offlineMitchell Gant From Montserrat, joined Aug 2000, 253 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2268 times:

I would not agree with the statement that the B737-500's were deployed on short haul flights intially. The 735 operated such segments as IAH-GYE and CLE-SAN. A number of 735's in the CO fleet were equiped with rafts and had over-water capability, these were converted back to standard "domestic" configuration in the late 1990's and thus the -500 will only be found in the US/Canada. The Flight Link system was indeed in use for the 1996-97 period along with the 733's, MD-80's...can't remember if the DC-9's had them but I think they did.

The 737-600 was included in the initial large order for NG's, but then converted to -700 and -800's. Given the relatively high unit costs on the 735 (guess why they fly IAH-DCA and IAH-LGA?) the -600 was deemed too expensive. I would imagine that a winglet-ed 736 could probably do some very long stage lengths, albeit with a low capacity.


25 Bluejackets : I just got off a CO 735 about an hour ago from EWR-CMH. I was lucky enough to have first class seats and the short ride was very comfortable. However,
26 IndustrialPate : Mitchell Gant, I didn't mean to say "initially.” The B735 were acquired cheaply (the original order was purchased from UA; the B735 were part of its
27 Post contains images Flyboyaz : Bluejackets: You were probably on a 735 with the old interior. They are putting in the interiors that match the NG series. We get a mix of old and new
28 COEWRNJ : I took a 735 from EWR-IAH last week at it was very nice. I had the emergency exit row that does not have a seat in front (10F) and the flight was grea
29 IndustrialPate : As for the 752's they definitely have to flip down screens. I've been on more CO 757's than I can count and have never seen a plane with the bulky cei
30 Tommy767 : "They're not ceiling-mounted... they're flip-down CRT, not LCD, screens & very hard to view..." that's definitely true. Continental first got there 75
31 COEWRNJ : IndustrialPate I said they were the flip downs screens. I never said anything about whether or not they were LCD or CRT, so what's your point?
32 IndustrialPate : ...what's your point?... Then what was your point of your response? I never said the screens were ceiling-mounted, and since I was the only one who br
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