Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Is Westjet Going To Lease B738 Again For Summer?  
User currently offlineYVRtoYYZ From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 656 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3776 times:

Two summers ago from the YEG-YYZ and YYC-YYZ route, Westjet leased two B738s from DL for the summer months...is this going to happen again, especially now that it is rumoured that they are looking at purchasing their own 738s?

-YVRtoYYZ

14 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlineCanadaEH From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 1341 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3742 times:

No, that was a one time thing. I have a feeling that we'll be announcing orders for -600 and -800 aircraft sometime in the next 6-8 months.


EH.
User currently offlineGoose From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 1840 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3680 times:

The DL 738s were a stop-gap measure until WS took delivery of more -700s from Boeing.

And also, there were apparently some operational issues with the 738s, as some of the equipment onboard was inoperable during the term of the lease, and hindered more than helped WestJet's operation (read: the "Magic carpet" pit floors)..... so I'd think that WS would think twice before going this route again.

And besides, now they have plenty of -700s to go around.



"Talk to me, Goose..."
User currently offlineCanadaEH From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 1341 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3660 times:

Those moving carpets or whatever they're called were a bitch to load, try rolling a bag on rubber - you can't! The -800 was a nice bird to fly on though, especially with the 35" or whatever seat-pitch (150 seats, you do the math!).

As an aside, if we are to get -800's they'll be configured with 160 or 163 seats.



EH.
User currently offlineDL_Mech From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1926 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3616 times:

as some of the equipment onboard was inoperable during the term of the lease, and hindered more than helped WestJet's operation (read: the "Magic carpet" pit floors).....

Were the magic carpets deactivated? I know we took out the HUD, but I didn't know about the cargo pits.



This plane is built to withstand anything... except a bad pilot.
User currently offlineFallingeese From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2097 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3599 times:

Oh yes the magic carpets were deactivated, it wasn't written into the contract that Westjet was able to use them.


Mark McWhirter...Contrails Photography
User currently offlineCanadaEH From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 1341 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3557 times:

I really wish they hadn't deactivated those carpets, I really could have used them when I worked on the ramp! A neat idea though, I didn't know that any aircraft had such a thing until I worked on those two birds.


EH.
User currently offlineWjv04 From Canada, joined Jun 2001, 583 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3547 times:

As a ramp agent, im surprized ive never heard of these "magic carpets" what exactly are they?

User currently offlineFallingeese From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2097 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3481 times:

Hey shane, just ask Kris....he loved them Big grin

Apparently it is a motorized rubber belt in the belly of the aircraft that could transfer the bags to the rear of the aircraft.



Mark McWhirter...Contrails Photography
User currently offlineCanadaEH From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 1341 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3439 times:

To elaborate a bit..

The black "carpet" is esentially a movable rubber mat in the forward and aft pits. The reason, as explained to me, was to minimize the amount of people needed in the pit of the aircraft. I don't know if you've worked on an -800 before, but its pretty damn long in the aft pit. Instead of having one person at the door and another deep into the pit stacking bags, the carpet allows one person to be positioned at the pit door and stack bags right onto the mat. When the bags can't be stacked up, a button is pushed (on the ceiling) which moves the carpet (and the bags) to the rear of the pit. This process eliminates the need for a second person.

A very cool idea, its a damn shame I never had a chance to use it!



EH.
User currently offlineDash8King From Canada, joined Nov 2001, 2742 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3425 times:

I saw that them using the one person in the cargo the other summer, it was pretty cool, what was the problem with it?

User currently offlineCanadaEH From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 1341 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3423 times:

When Delta leased the two -800's to us, they deactivated them so in the event that they broke, Westjet wouldnt have to eat the cost of fixing it. They did the same thing with the HUD, microwaves, and a few other gadgets in the cabin.


EH.
User currently offlineWjv04 From Canada, joined Jun 2001, 583 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3365 times:

Thats awsome, so you could stack at the door, and move it back. Too bad other aircraft dont have em!!! its simmiler to loading cans on a dc-10, a330, 747.
Awsome idea


User currently offlineGoose From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 1840 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3305 times:

The magic carpets were, according to the guys I talked to, apparently a maintenance hog, and WS had no-one qualified to fix them. Getting someone from DL to hang out in the event they fixed would probably have been prohibitively expensive.

I used one several times before, and they can also be hard on bags if used carelessly. They can suck up one of those folding suit-bags, never to be seen again. That's nasty to see, and even more of a headache to tear some poor sucker's bag out of the system..... now, telescoping pits - different concept, same end goal..... like those in the old QN 757 - were awesome.



"Talk to me, Goose..."
User currently offlineCanadaEH From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 1341 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3229 times:

What is a telescoping pit?


EH.
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Is WestJet Going To Lease 2 B737-800s? posted Tue Mar 12 2002 23:05:27 by Bowen0614
TU To Lease Seven (7) Acfts For Summer : posted Wed May 19 2004 18:43:27 by Ts-ior
When Is Westjet Going To Montreal? posted Sun Mar 25 2001 18:51:14 by Fly_yhm
When Is Airbus Going To Update Their Website? posted Sun Nov 12 2006 05:40:44 by Dougloid
When Is AF Going To Get The A380? posted Mon Sep 11 2006 10:14:33 by Haggis79
SJD; Is Cabo Going To Be Like CUN Last Year? posted Sat Sep 2 2006 00:52:33 by SLCUT2777
Qantas & The B777...Is It Going To Happen! posted Wed Jun 21 2006 08:36:08 by EK413
What Is Emirates Going To Do With 45 A380s? posted Sun Jun 18 2006 23:12:12 by FSPilot747
Is Varig Going To Survive? posted Thu Jun 15 2006 11:40:03 by Jfazzer
ArkeFly To Lease Iberworld A320 This Summer? posted Sat Apr 22 2006 16:17:11 by Airbuseric