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Ted At Chicago O'Hare = Smart Move  
User currently offlineN777UA From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 0 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4575 times:

I was thinking earlier about United's decision to start Ted service out of O'Hare later this spring. I think it is a good idea. All of the low-fare service in Chicago is out of Midway Airport. As far as I know, the only low-fare air service at O'Hare is Spirit Airlines.

As I myself live in the northwest suburbs of Chicago, O'Hare is a much more convenient airport than Midway (30 mins. vs. over an hour). Having a low-fare airline that much closer, plus with Ted's link to United, I think has very good potential for Ted and United in general. I looked up the prices...$157 ORD-FLL on Ted vs. over $300 on American for the same day/time.

What do you think?

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User currently offlineSyncmaster From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 2027 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4546 times:
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I would imagine it would be, especially with the possibility of B6 coming to ORD once they get the E190's. Should give United the upper hand, even though they had it to begin with, you know not just any airline can try and take on United at ORD, on top of American as well. That's an uphill battle all the way.

User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4535 times:

Oh God, please don't tell me you think TED's coming to ORD to lower fares as an LCC would... the only thing TED's going to do is match LCC's fares... that FLL fare is either an NK or WN price match...

User currently offlineWidgetBoi From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1432 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4526 times:

Bringing TED to O'Hare is a brilliant move. Good job UA  Big grin

This may be off topic, but I was wondering if Delta Express flew to O'Hare? I'm pretty sure Express flew to Chicago, but I can't remember which airport they operated out of? And as a side note, does anyone know if DL plans to bring Song to Midway or O'Hare?

Thanks for the help Big grin
jeremy


User currently offlineBeltwayBandit From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 495 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4498 times:

Ted is not "linked" to United. It is United. It is certainly good for consumers that Ted will come in and match the prices of LCCs, but with a United-type cost structure, that only means they'll bleed more money than before; and this time they'll do it at the expense of a couple of legitimate LCCs.

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User currently offlineN777UA From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4494 times:

It's not the matching Southwest fares that I mentioned....its that Chicagoans can fly on a LCC out of O'Hare now rather than going down to Midway, which for much of Chicago is a very inconvenient airport.

User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4492 times:

Yes, it is coming to ORD with those 5 cities to PHX, LAS, FLL, MCO & TPA. It would be good for me with Ted and also, my friend Steve Belleme was gave me with the hat.

User currently offlineMidway2airtran From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 864 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4471 times:

Ted may be of benefit a little but ORD needs some true LCC action, more than the few flights offered by Spirit. Watch for FL!! I believe ORD is in for a major revolution of LCC competition in the future, especially following its expansion which at that point it should handle the traffic a lot better. Lets watch what happens with PHL for the time being!


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User currently offlineSyncmaster From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 2027 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4451 times:
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No I don't think they will match other LCC prices, but they will get the upper hand on the ORD traffic. Not to mention that many people in and around Chicago have those MileagePlus accounts, and being able to add miles to those using a LCC. Cha-Ching.

User currently offlineCactusA319 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2918 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4393 times:


Ted does bring low fares to ORD but if you look at some of those markets they are serving the low fares were already there on the mainline flights. I could easily get a good fare to FLL or LAS on UA mainline without Ted. Ted is doing nothing more than taking over low-yield cities for mainline flights. Big whoop. I'll take them seriously when they start flying to LGA, LAX, SFO, SEA, etc. but that'll probably never happen. And its great that I can get low fares to rack up my MP miles but what sucks is I can't upgrade.

As for jetBlue and AirTran at ORD. Both airlines are interested but there just isn't any gate space for them right now. They could use the International Terminal like Spirit did when they opened ORD but the costs of operating at that terminal are too high for an LCC, which is why Spirit moved to Terminal 3. However I seriously doubt AA or UA will give up any of there underutilized gates to an LCC.



User currently offlineORDINDUAFLYER From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 123 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4286 times:

Jury is still out on this one... I live in the NW Cgo 'burbs and as such, am only a 45 min drive to ORD (on average, sometimes 35, sometimes 60 depending on traffic), but a 1.5 hour drive to MDW with little traffic so I don't even "shop" fares on the MDW flights. The concept of a LCC at ORD is a positive one. However, every year I take a trip (on UA) ORD-MCO and have yet to pay more than $200 for a ticket bought a couple months in advance...will TED be able to offer the same or better? Initially I was frustrated about the thought of not being able to upgrade on the ORD-MCO flight, but it's only two hours in air (so I suppose I'll have 4 more 500-milers to use for a mid-con) although I'll miss the extra seat width! At least there's still E+... If they have BOB offerings (I think I saw that they do/will?) that will make it easier than the delicious "variety pack" from last year. Also, ability to earn MP miles & EQMs is key.

User currently offlineN777UA From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4273 times:

Buy on Board is/will be available on all Ted flights.

United flight attendants affectionately refer to the Buy on Board service as "doing BOB on Ted".


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17411 posts, RR: 46
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4274 times:

"Bringing TED to O'Hare is a brilliant move. Good job UA
"

Brilliant? Since when is changing the color scheme on a couple A320s "brilliant"? If anything it's more of the same, just different branding. No big whoop.



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User currently offlineFutureualpilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2602 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4254 times:

MaverickM11, the prices are much lower. Ted is supposed to compete with the LCCs, and brings a LCC type price to ORD as opposed to only having LCC's at MDW. who said anything about changing the c/s of the 320s?


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User currently offlineUAL777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1550 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4251 times:

Uh, CactusA319, have you ever been to UA's Terminal 1 at ORD? Their gates are not what I would call "underused". UA would burn down Terminal 1 before another airline got a gate there.


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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17411 posts, RR: 46
Reply 15, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4237 times:

"MaverickM11, the prices are much lower. Ted is supposed to compete with the LCCs, and brings a LCC type price to ORD as opposed to only having LCC's at MDW. who said anything about changing the c/s of the 320s?
"

Doubtful. They were competitive with other carriers before Ted and they won't unecessarily lower fares to be competitive with some fictitious entity that wasn't there before Ted's entry. They were competitive with AA, WN, TZ, etc before Ted, and they'll continue to do so during Ted. How does brining a low price to ORD help UA? Just like in Denver, UA matched F9 fares and now Ted matches F9 fares....no difference, just different colored A320s.



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User currently offlineFutureualpilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2602 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4198 times:

ORD, as stated above, is much more convenient for many people in Chicago. It will help UA because a lot of people now have the option of a lower fare at a more convenient airport.


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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17411 posts, RR: 46
Reply 17, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4166 times:

"ORD, as stated above, is much more convenient for many people in Chicago. It will help UA because a lot of people now have the option of a lower fare at a more convenient airport. "

Let's recap:

1) The fare environment at ORD has not changed much before during or after Ted.
2) LCCs in ORD are few and far between with the exception of a couple flights by NK.
3) The competition at MDW has not changed dramatically before during or after Ted.
4) UA competed with everyone at ORD before during and after Ted. Their pricing was influenced by the same inventory mix at MDW before during and after Ted.

Take ALL of that into consideration, and think: do you think United, who is 'revenue-ly challenged' is going to dramatically lower its prices at ORD, when the competition mix hasn't changed? That would not help UA's revenue problems at all, and in fact would hurt it. For all I know they may competing for the sake of it, but someone is then going to have to explain why they'd start competing differently when the environment hasn't changed!?!



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User currently offlineFutureualpilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2602 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4116 times:

It says Ted will start service later this spring. Would you think it may take some time then to see what sort of impact this has on the travel environment around Chicago? Are airlines simply going to unecessarily lower their fares as soon as they know that a LCC is going to begin service? It would more likley be smart to wait and see what happens before making a decision.


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User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2976 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4064 times:

I do agree that it's important for United to try using different methods to defend its turf, but I really don't understand what Ted is going to do. Same frequency, same planes, same fares (UA Mainline had to lower fares to compete anyway...) - basically, same airline. Just a different name and no FC.

I think UA put TED on these routes because they are threatened by B6 (and who wouldn't be?). Neeleman has said publicly that they'll fly into ORD instead of MDW - so UA will definitely take that seriously. And note - TED is going to TPA, FLL, and MCO. These are all the FL cities that B6 flights to/from BOS. Makes sense to think that they'd do the same thing w/ ORD.

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User currently offlineFutureualpilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2602 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4044 times:

I just thought about this, so its up for debate, but maybe UA is banking on Ted, being viewed as an LCC, so people will choose to fly it more than other airlines, and it will generate profits that way. Ok, obviously not all of their profit that way but maybe that could help em out a bit. Your thoughts?


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User currently offlineN777UA From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4004 times:

United is not banking on Ted for survival...Ted is meant to help add some dough to the bottom line that might otherwise go to another LCC. What United is banking on is getting the mainline profitable, which it nearly is.

Putting Ted at O'Hare (which has no LCC other than Spirit) will attract a lot of people who would otherwise drive to MDW to fly Southwest or ATA, to ORD to fly Ted. Keep in mind that for people who live in the northern half of the Chicago area, Midway is a horrible pain in the rear to get to. Plus, flying Ted earns travelers MP miles they can redeem on mainline United to get them anywhere in the world. You can't get to Beijing, Hong Kong, Sydney or Frankfurt on ATA or Southwest.


User currently offlineFutureualpilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2602 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3965 times:

I know UA isnt banking on Ted for survival, but I ment that UA is banking on people seeing Ted as an LCC which will attract them to ORD.

I do agree with what you said though in your last post, N777UA.



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17411 posts, RR: 46
Reply 23, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3948 times:

"United is not banking on Ted for survival...Ted is meant to help add some dough to the bottom line that might otherwise go to another LCC
"
I would have gone to UA anyway!

"Keep in mind that for people who live in the northern half of the Chicago area, Midway is a horrible pain in the rear to get to."

Exactly, which is why MDW doesn't have such a strong effect on ORD....which is why UA and AA et al don't have to lower their fares to MDW's price levels for similar destinations...which is why Ted is unnecessarily lowering fares when they were competitive with all other carriers at ORD to begin with....which is why Ted at ORD is only going to reduce revenue for UA. Someone from the UA Board of Directors that authorized PLEASE explain the rationale behind it to me!!!



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User currently offlineNwa747-400 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1337 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3872 times:

Just flew my first flight on Ted from DEN-LAS and I could not have been less impressed. Plane was dirty (I am talking carpet, seats, seatback pockets, and blankets strewn all over), they didn't have any peanuts/pretzels, and the only thing that made it different than UA mainline was there was no first class and the plane said Ted on the outside , oh and the napkins were Ted too.

Watch for my trip report coming soon. You know I am not one to judge an airline by a single flight, but I had high hopes based on all the advertising and marketing. Bottom line, it's UA w/o first class and it MIGHT be a few bucks cheaper sometimes.

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25 Osubuckeyes : First off i don't know how ted would be competing with LCC's by charging over $200 roundtrip to DEN and SFO from PHX. (last i checked thats how much i
26 Chicago757 : ATA will still kill Ted in fares. I guarantee that!
27 AirframeAS : Buy on Board is/will be available on all Ted flights.
28 Amwest25 : "All of the low-fare service in Chicago is out of Midway Airport. As far as I know, the only low-fare air service at O'Hare is Spirit Airlines." Um Am
29 Lj : Is United planning an all TED service to LAS and PHX from ORD? If so, what are they going to do to keep the international premium traffic on UA (as th
30 Ord : I posted this on the other Ted thread and thought it applies here as well: I just helped a friend book a trip in December from Chicago to Ft. Lauderda
31 Ord : IndustrialPate, "Oh God, please don't tell me you think TED's coming to ORD to lower fares as an LCC would... the only thing TED's going to do is matc
32 Ord : "ATA will still kill Ted in fares. I guarantee that!" Chicago757, as my previous posts have indicated my friend is flying Ted ORD-FLL in December for
33 Ord : "Exactly, which is why MDW doesn't have such a strong effect on ORD....which is why UA and AA et al don't have to lower their fares to MDW's price lev
34 MaverickM11 : "MaverickM11, MDW pricing has a very big effect on pricing at ORD" Of course it does but it still affords UA and AA and other carriers at ORD a premiu
35 CactusA319 : ORD, I'm not sure about your friend, but I've found fares lower than $200 on ORD-FLL in the past few years on AA, UA, and WN. I guess it all depends
36 MaverickM11 : "Why fly mainline at dirt cheap fares when you could fly the "lower cost" version at the same fares and not lose as much, if any, money? " Barring som
37 UALPHLCS : No they don't because you have more seats on Ted than on UA MaverickM11. Cost Available Seat Mile. Ted has more seats the cost is spread over more sea
38 Alphascan : UALPHLCS: Your numbers assume RASM is equal on TED and the mainline. If they are, might as well just change all domestic flights to the TED brand now
39 AirframeAS : Buy on Board is/will be available on all Ted flights.
40 ILUV767 : The f/a will give you a little menu listing your selections. Cash or Credit cards are accepted. I L U V 7 6 7
41 AirframeAS : Thanks for the heads up, that was fast. Credit cards are accepted in-flight? How cool! Thanks!
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