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Iluyshin And Tupolev: Why No A/c Family Planning?  
User currently offlineBoeing777/747 From Belgium, joined Dec 2001, 643 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2430 times:

Why don't Iluyshin and Tupolev plan an aircraft family line (short, medium, long haul) like Airbus and Boeing do? Those aircraft brands a not too bad?

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User currently offlineAfay1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1293 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2411 times:

If I understand correctly it is due to several factors. The big IL-86 is out of production, while the smaller IL-96-300 is produced in very limited numbers. The Tu-204/214 are also in production and can be called a 757ski for those so inclined. The TU-334 is up for certification, and there are a whole slew of Antonov's as well. Another problem is that TU/IL planes are made at different plants by different holding companies, so it is very confusing as to who is making what. Market forces also come into play. I don't know how Embraer did it, but somehow I don't see the Russian/Ukrainian aviation industry pulling the same sort of thing at this time. So essentially, there is a family of aircraft, just not really a central marketing body as such.

User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17281 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2348 times:

No money.





Thank you.



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User currently offlineSovietjet From Bulgaria, joined Mar 2003, 2550 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2325 times:
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Short - Tu-334, An-140, Il-114

Medium - Tu-204/214

Long - Il-96

See they have them except they're built by 3 companies instead of one like Airbus or Boeing because there's no money. Also very limited production exists of all those types. In fact, Tu-334 hasn't even entered service yet. I think there's a couple of Il-114s and An-140s out there.


User currently offlineLVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 37
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2247 times:

Not enough Roubles. And not enough interest.

XV



How do you say "12 months" in Estonian?
User currently offlineOD720 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2003, 1924 posts, RR: 33
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2136 times:

If Tupolev and Ilyushin merge, they will have nice family of airliners. Here are their products:

Tu-334 is a 100 seater
Tu-204-300 150 seater
Tu-204-100/120... 180-200 seater
Il-96-300 250 seater
Il-96M over 300 seats

That really looks impressive and I'm sure Boeing and Airbus will both be concerned if such a merge was to become reality.
These aircraft have all flown. The Il-96M is shelved due to lack of finances. The Tu-334 is struggling for certification and probably won't be in full airline operation ever.


User currently offlineLVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 37
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2112 times:

OD720:

Until the Russian economy grows substantially and consistently, and until Western interest is secured, all of the above are no-hopers. 10 years ago I was highly optimistic of the IL-96, for example. And look how high off the ground that thing is:


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Such a shame...

XV




How do you say "12 months" in Estonian?
User currently offlineOD720 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2003, 1924 posts, RR: 33
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2084 times:

XV,

You are right. They will never be able to merge anyway. The economy is not helping them either.
I was just trying to make a point that, if they were wise and decided to merge, they will be able to share their experiences and help each other. They have something very precious, that is heavy aircraft industry and they will be losing it forever.


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