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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 2704 times:

Louis Armstrong International Airport's new effort to write a $2 million master plan will include a look at developing the airport's north side, a strategy that could put it at odds with Kenner Mayor-elect Phil Capitano's promise to protect the integrity of neighborhoods there.

The New Orleans Aviation Board awarded the master plan contract on Wednesday to a consortium headed by Corgan Associates of Dallas. The Federal Aviation Administration, or FAA, requires that airports receiving federal money have a master plan for future development and suggests updating it every five years, but Armstrong hasn't revised its plan in 13 years, said Mario Rodriguez, the airport's deputy director for planning and development.

"It's more of a guideline than a hard-and-fast rule, but it helps us justify our applications for federal grants," he said.

The estimated cost for the study is $1.5 million to $3 million; Rodriguez predicted it will be close to $2 million. The FAA will pay up to 75 percent of the costs.

Aviation Director Roy Williams said the study will cover a broad range of issues, including Armstrong's ability to handle more flights. That could bring the study into conflict with Kenner officials.

"Once we finish the expansion of Concourse D, there is really nowhere else to go on the south side without demolishing a lot of things that are already there," Williams said. "So it's logical that we look at the north side, for a new passenger terminal."

The number of people living between the airport's north fence line and Interstate 10 grew 17 percent, to 5,513, between 1990 and 2000, according to U.S. census data. Kenner's total population declined 2 percent, to 70,517.

Capitano said Thursday that he is willing to listen to the plans for the New Orleans-owned airport, while ensuring that residents are protected. "As long as it doesn't hurt the neighborhoods, I'm willing to work with them," he said.

However, he also said he wants to address long-simmering airport-Kenner issues such as flight paths for airline pilots, Kenner's representation on the Aviation Board and requiring an airport liaison to meet with neighborhood groups.

"If they can hire somebody to be a liaison in Washington, they can hire someone to be a liaison with Kenner residents," Capitano said.

Kenner has been at loggerheads with airport for several years over Armstrong's plans to widen Aberdeen Street from two lanes to four, to create a short link between the airport's north side and the Loyola Drive entrance to Interstate 10. City Councilman Marc Johnson has blocked the project, saying the airport has reneged on a proposal to give the city surplus land from the street right of way that could be used as a buffer between neighborhoods and the expanded street.

Kenner and the airport have also been in a standoff about how to develop residential property that the airport bought in the 1990s as part of its noise-mitigation program. In order for the property to be commercially viable, it must be consolidated into a large lots, which only Kenner has the authority to do.

Kenner officials have balked at consolidation before knowing what the airport wants to do with the property. Airport officials say no one will buy the land for commercial development until it is consolidated.

Capitano said he plans to meet with New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin to discuss a number of issues, including those surrounding the buyout property. Williams contends that north side development is not incompatible with neighborhoods.

"There is a lot of low-density development north of the airport. I think we can show that you could put thousands more housing units in the area while creating jobs for the people who live there," Williams said.

Corgan was chosen from nine applicants for the job of writing the master plan. The contract calls for the consortium to give 30 percent of the work to businesses certified to be disadvantaged. They are the New Orleans firms of Billes/Manning Architects, 7 percent; Julien Engineering, 5 percent; and Collaborative Resources, 2 percent; Creelman Associates of Paso Robles, Calif., 2 percent; TransSolutions of Fort Worth, Texas, 7 percent; and Jacobsen/Daniels of Detroit, 7 percent.

The firm of Kutchins and Groh of Fort Worth also is a subcontractor. Its partners, George Groh and Brad Kutchins, were formerly employed by The Mumphrey Group, the airport's former master consultant.


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Tom question--

I've heard so much about them considering this after Concourse D is expanded, mostly from the standpoint of enhancing retail capability. Your thoughts?

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User currently offlineCmckeithen From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 617 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 2669 times:

It would be nice....but I don't think it will happeny any time soon. We'll keep our fingers crossed.

User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 33
Reply 2, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 2623 times:

Numerous thoughts here regarding anew terminal on the north side:

1) the biggest problem currently facing the NOAB regarding any type of development along the north side of the field is that of access. As mentioned in the T-P's article, we have not been able to get one street widened (Aberdeen Street, which eventually leads to Transit and Atlantic Avaition). Although there is a bit of airport property available for development on the north side, between the north side and I-10, residential development fills in most of the land area. Hence, any future major (i.e. terminal) development has to take that into consideration. With that mind, with the trouble we are having getting one street widened, I can just imagine the major headaches we would have trying to get the kind of access (both off I-10, and from I-10 into the terminal area) that we would need into a new terminal.

2) we don't currently have enough room on the north side to be able to comfortably build new terminal facilities that would be able to efficiently house all of our airlines, as well the associated parking garages, and in-close rental car facilities that would be required. We would need to implement a major homeowner buyout program in order to gain enough space, and as we have seen with our Part 150 noise buyout program, that is both costly and time consuming. And I doubt expropriation powers extend to that type of development.

3) as far as the city of Kenner goes, I can't for the life of me see how they would ever go along with the construction of a new terminal in that area. Since they do have certain construction approval/disapproval powers over the airport, in a sense they do hold the ultimate hammer.

a) relations between the airport and the city Of Kenner are vastly improved since we hired our airport director about three years ago. I do see them trying to work things out in a way that benefits all of us.

4) the majority of the buyout properties from the 1990's is on the east and south sides of the airport. A little bit on the north side, but that area is closer to the extended end of runway 19 (I-10/access road, etc area). Property on the north side that would be needed for terminal development would not be eligible for buyout under noise provisions. It'd have to be purchased by other means.

My opinion: it ain't gonna happen.

Other thoughts:

1) the FAA does require that we have a master plan that discusses possibilities of future development, and that that master plan be updated every so often. I would say that the reason that a future north side terminal would be included in that plan is that it would remain that: an option, along with options to continue development of the existing terminal, etc, etc. Master plans can contain any number of development possiblities, some of which are actually pretty realistic, as well as some that are pretty much way out there, and do little more than take up paper in a report.

2) our soon-to-be-former master consultant has been here for quite a while. Pretty much showed up right after Marc Morial took office (hmmmmm, I wonder how that happened?!). With Ray Nagin as N.O.'s mayor now, and the hiring of a new master planner, the master consultant is likely on his way out.

3) regarding the enhancement of retail capability, I think we've made major strides in that area, having opened up numerous eateries within the terminal recently (both fast food and sit-down) that give the traveler more options. As well, the shopping side has also vastly improved. With the airline industry in the financial shape it is, we constantly have to look at other means of increasing revenue, and it's usually via the retail/restaurant market that that is accomplished.

Tom at MSY



"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 2583 times:

we don't currently have enough room on the north side to be able to comfortably build new terminal facilities that would be able to efficiently house all of our airlines

The article read as if the 3rd terminal would supplement the existant ones, not replace them.... so [assuming they were able to pull it off] wouldnt it be more for expansion?


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Also, what are the terminal/concourse/gate expansion plans post lengthening of D?


User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 33
Reply 4, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 2562 times:

It would open up expansion possibilities, but I can't see building a north side terminal to complement the existing one. Somehow, a split-terminal operation opens us up to too many logistical and operational problems, in addition to the problems I listed above with regards to iniital development. If and when the time came where we needed to greatly expand our terminal facility, I'd build a consolidated air cargo center to the west end of the airport, move FedEx down there; move the Postal Service further west, possibly where FedEx is now; and relocate the perishable goods/Customs/WN Provisioning building. That would free up a great deal of room on the west side of the terminal for an expansion.

As far as current plans go (after the extension of D, which should start sometime before the end of the year, and add 7 gates to D), the only other project on the horizon is the reconstruction of A and B. And that, I believe, is in the design stage, which means actual construction is likely a few years away.

Tom at MSY



"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
User currently offlineCmckeithen From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 617 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 2559 times:

D really needs more gates. I thought we are doing decent with what we had Tom. But if it attracts more flights, then I am for it. Big question, is, who is gonna pay for it? I hope our Tax Dollars are not wasted like they are on somethings here in Louisiana.

User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 33
Reply 6, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 2555 times:

The D extension is being paid for two ways:
1) PFC's (Passenger Facility Charges) will pay most of it.
2) TYME Fund, which is a State of Louisiana transportation development fund, will pay the rest.

Tom at MSY



"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
User currently offlineCmckeithen From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 617 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 2528 times:

What MSY should consider next, is building a rapid transit system linking the NorthShore, New Orleans CBD, New Orleans East, and areas on the SouthShore to the airport. I know we were in the running 2yrs ago for one but if my memory served me right I believe a Cali city got the grant.

User currently offlineWilliam From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 2490 times:

Tom is right,there is some real estate that could be used to the west of the terminal area,even if you build over the swamp a little,it will provide much needed room.

Move the car rental area,and consolidate it too. There is an empty lot to the south of the n/s runway next to Park n fly,it is abandoned,use it as a combined Rental car area or buy property across the bridge where National/Alamo is right now and put it there. That will make room for parking for the future west terminal addition.

One more thing,RAISE THE FREAKING SPEED LIMIT ON THE ROAD GOING TO THE AIRPORT OFF OF I-10! IT IS A SPEEDTRAP..........


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 7 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2439 times:

I'd build a consolidated air cargo center to the west end of the airport, move FedEx down there; move the Postal Service further west, possibly where FedEx is now; and relocate the perishable goods/Customs/WN Provisioning building. That would free up a great deal of room on the west side of the terminal for an expansion.

But would it not also interfere with the favored [proposed] new runway plan?


User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 33
Reply 10, posted (10 years 7 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2423 times:

MSY is a part of the local team which has put together ideas for a rapid transit system to connect the airport with the CBD and points. The airport, however, could not fund this project on its own, and actually would fund very little of it. Most of the funds would come from federal and state grants.

The city of Kenner wouldn't likely be in favor of a consolidated car-rental facility on the south side of the field. They do have approval powers (via land use) over such a project. It'll have to stay on airport property.

The speed limit on the access road will not be raised any time soon. Been 35 mph for years, and won't be changing. It's totally ignored as it is, and there are some police/political issues regarding police powers on that road. If we raise it, drivers will just go that much faster on it. A couple of fatal accidents on that road during the past 10 years encouraged that decision.

Fred, the area I would put the consolidated air cargo center is in the west ramp area, and also further to the west where there currently sits a large grove of trees (we'd have to buy that property). The proposed new runway is 3,000-odd feet further to the west.

My primary thought process for the expansion suggestions I make, is that it doesn't involve much in the way of property acquisition. It just makes better, more efficient use of what we've already got.

Tom at MSY



"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
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