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AA To End STL-JLN (Joplin To Lose All Air Service)  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32689 posts, RR: 72
Posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4801 times:

Pending final government approval, American Connection will end service to Joplin, Missouri on 25 June 2004. American Connection is the only scheduled airline to fly to the airport, and provides three daily roundtrips Sunday through Friday, and one trip on Saturdays with J41s. American Connection is asking for EAS subsidies, however, to save the service, so its final fate is not yet known.

[Edited 2004-03-30 06:25:26]


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User currently offlineThrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2688 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4732 times:

I am really beginning to think AA takes pride in making so many Missourians' lives miserable  Angry


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User currently offlineCanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2839 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4652 times:

That's too bad, they've had really bad luck keeping air service there. I believe Ozark (rebrand) and Lone Star flew there as well, both long gone. Sad you'll have to drive to Tulsa or Springfield now.


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User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4613 times:

It is terrible news for service to JLN and I am felt sorry to hear about what happening with the porrly with the load factor and will be not bring it back with their flights.  Sad

User currently offlineAtcboy73 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1100 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4577 times:

I bet they find another place to put those 3 j41s a day.

Any guesses, maybe SGF?

Or how about a new route, like up to Moline, South Bend, Fort Wayne or Lincoln.


User currently offlineBHMNONREV From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1368 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4546 times:

Wow, guess I have been somewhat out of touch with air carrier ops in my home state. When did NW Airlink stop MEM-JLN service?? I remember them operating Saabs (I think) back in the mid to late 90's.

Too bad for the folks of SW Missouri....


User currently offlineAAJAXFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4533 times:

I guess the people of Joplin will just have to drive the relatively short distance to Springfield... or drive on to Tulsa and fly for a lot cheaper.

May make travel more difficult for some people, but if they aren't making money there's no reason to keep the service.


User currently offlineDc10hound From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 463 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4519 times:

I guess the people of Joplin will just have to drive the relatively short distance to Springfield... or drive on to Tulsa and fly for a lot cheaper.

Northwest Arkansas Regional Airport (KXNA) is closer. Fifty Three nautical miles as the Embraer flies...

Or just down the road on US 71/ I-540.

There's also more air service there. American, ASA, CAL, Northwest Airlink and US Airways Express.

That might have something to do with why JLN couldn't "compete"...

But lots of people think it's a plot by those dang "sky nAAzis"...

 Big grin




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User currently offlineUltrapig From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 584 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4444 times:
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Your comments are interesting-but isn't the entire airline system in the US built on the free market system. If American could make money at Joplin it would keep the flights. If it could raise the fares to a level where they could make money they would. But its obvious that the volume of traffic-the resistance to higher fares, the relatively short distance down Route 44 to Springfield makes service there economically impossible. I'm obviously right. I I was wrong another airline would take up the opportunity.

Airline management primary duty is to its creditors and shareholders. American and this partner are showing that duty.

As far as government subsidies to Joplin-which is a very Republican (keep the government out of our lives) area-I am opposed to it. People who live in rural areas like this have some advantages over people in cities-and some disadvantages-this is one -no air service. They should not expect the government to bail them out-through higher taxes to people in other areas


User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2072 posts, RR: 36
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4390 times:

Thrust,
AA takes pride in providing Missouri's only hub, however small it may be. Big grin

Truthfully I wouldn't be surprised to see another market open up if these cuts take place. MLI would come to mind as a viable feeder destination.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32689 posts, RR: 72
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4331 times:

I am really beginning to think AA takes pride in making so many Missourians' lives miserable


Are you kidding yourself? How is AA supposed to make money when planes are going out with 5-10 people on them? If AA really was going to make thier lives miserable, they wouldn't be going through the process of asking for EAS funds like they are doing now, in an attempt to make sure Joplin keeps commercial air service.



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User currently offlineRjnut From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1218 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4289 times:

a very Republican area (keep the government out of our lives)

Just a minor correction,
the Republicans, this election year, are VERY MUCH up in our lives!






User currently offlineLearpilot From United States of America, joined May 2001, 814 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4290 times:

I was just in JLN one day last week. From the FBO window, I think I saw about 3 passengers getting on the afternoon flight. Not good.

BHMNONREV, Where in BHM do you live, and what part of MO are you from? I'm currently in Inverness at 119 & 280, but moving into a house in Alabaster in about a month. I'm from Farmington, MO (about 80 miles south of STL).



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User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5209 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4273 times:

Up through the mid or late '80s, there was also service to PPF (Parsons, KS-Tri Cities Airport), about 70 miles west of JLN. Frontier used to fly CV-580s between MCI and DFW, stopping at PPF, Ponca City, OK, and other small towns in Oklahoma and Texas.

Frontier got the route by buying Central Airlines in the late '60s, which flew the route with DC-3s.

In the mid '70s, Frontier turned the route over to Air Midwest flying 19-seat Metros.

JLN used to have one-stop service to ORD via STL, first with AA flying CV-240s, then OZ flying DC-9s. It was after the TWA merger that the route was switched over to commuter aircraft.

Part of the problem is that over the past 40 years, a lot of companies in southwest MO and southeast KS have moved plants to Arkansas, because it's less expensive to do business there. AA started flying Fokkers to XNA from ORD about 5 years ago, and the loads have been good.

The only reason that SGF still has service is that it's the closest airport to Branson.


User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2072 posts, RR: 36
Reply 14, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4176 times:

Man....JLN has really dropped off from the days of DC-9's, well STL has too, but still. Big grin

On a brighter note, DL will put a 757 on a daily flight from CVG starting 4/4/04 (unless I'm reading things wrong). Odd move if you ask me....


User currently offlineBHMNONREV From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1368 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4068 times:

On a brighter note, DL will put a 757 on a daily flight from CVG starting 4/4/04 (unless I'm reading things wrong). Odd move if you ask me....

I would agree Lambert, I know DL has run 757's in the past ATL-STL-SLC so this is certainly curious to say the least. Must be quite a demand thru CVG to the NE business centers, since AA seems to be poking the STL biz traveller right thru the wallet...sorry, that belongs in a past thread...

Learpilot, I live in Leeds to be exact, but not for long. I'm headed to Kuwait for at least a year on an assignment, maybe longer if I like it, but my family will stay in Leeds while I'm away. As far as the MO ties, I grew up in Bridgeton, under the noisy path of 6/24 at Lambert Field...


User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2072 posts, RR: 36
Reply 16, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4036 times:

BHMNonrev,

That could be a very real possibility. AA's prices to BOS, DCA, and LGA are pretty hefty and DL may thinking they can steal some pax away. Before this addition that I just found today, an FRJ was also added this month which was welcome in its own right. From 6 CRJ's a day in October of '03, to 3 CR7's, 1 757, 1 732, and 2 CRJ's, and an FRJ, talk about a lot of expansion on a route. Smile


User currently offlineJmy007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 598 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4005 times:

Just checked in Apollo. They are indeed flying 757- here are the flight times.
DL2169 CVGSTL 925A 955A
DL1900 STLCVG 1125A 141P

It looks like they are only flying the 757's out in April, did not see them in may, as they are going back to a 737 on these particular flights.




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User currently offlineAtcboy73 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1100 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3995 times:

With all that DL, CVG-STL flying I wouldn't be surprised to see the AA Connection J41s (think its 3 daily) pulled from the route.

DL operating a 757 from STL to CVG does sound odd. I would of thought a plane like that would of gone to ATL before CVG.

*Side note: didn't SGF just get DC-9 service announced to MEM, twice daily?


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