MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 34118 posts, RR: 70 Posted (11 years 8 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5556 times:
Pending final government approval, American Connection will end service to Joplin, Missouri on 25 June 2004. American Connection is the only scheduled airline to fly to the airport, and provides three daily roundtrips Sunday through Friday, and one trip on Saturdays with J41s. American Connection is asking for EAS subsidies, however, to save the service, so its final fate is not yet known.
Ultrapig From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 604 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 years 8 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5199 times:
Your comments are interesting-but isn't the entire airline system in the US built on the free market system. If American could make money at Joplin it would keep the flights. If it could raise the fares to a level where they could make money they would. But its obvious that the volume of traffic-the resistance to higher fares, the relatively short distance down Route 44 to Springfield makes service there economically impossible. I'm obviously right. I I was wrong another airline would take up the opportunity.
Airline management primary duty is to its creditors and shareholders. American and this partner are showing that duty.
As far as government subsidies to Joplin-which is a very Republican (keep the government out of our lives) area-I am opposed to it. People who live in rural areas like this have some advantages over people in cities-and some disadvantages-this is one -no air service. They should not expect the government to bail them out-through higher taxes to people in other areas
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 34118 posts, RR: 70
Reply 10, posted (11 years 8 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5086 times:
I am really beginning to think AA takes pride in making so many Missourians' lives miserable
Are you kidding yourself? How is AA supposed to make money when planes are going out with 5-10 people on them? If AA really was going to make thier lives miserable, they wouldn't be going through the process of asking for EAS funds like they are doing now, in an attempt to make sure Joplin keeps commercial air service.
Learpilot From United States of America, joined May 2001, 814 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (11 years 8 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5045 times:
I was just in JLN one day last week. From the FBO window, I think I saw about 3 passengers getting on the afternoon flight. Not good.
BHMNONREV, Where in BHM do you live, and what part of MO are you from? I'm currently in Inverness at 119 & 280, but moving into a house in Alabaster in about a month. I'm from Farmington, MO (about 80 miles south of STL).
Heed our warnings or your future will be underpant free!
Ckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5706 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (11 years 8 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5028 times:
Up through the mid or late '80s, there was also service to PPF (Parsons, KS-Tri Cities Airport), about 70 miles west of JLN. Frontier used to fly CV-580s between MCI and DFW, stopping at PPF, Ponca City, OK, and other small towns in Oklahoma and Texas.
Frontier got the route by buying Central Airlines in the late '60s, which flew the route with DC-3s.
In the mid '70s, Frontier turned the route over to Air Midwest flying 19-seat Metros.
JLN used to have one-stop service to ORD via STL, first with AA flying CV-240s, then OZ flying DC-9s. It was after the TWA merger that the route was switched over to commuter aircraft.
Part of the problem is that over the past 40 years, a lot of companies in southwest MO and southeast KS have moved plants to Arkansas, because it's less expensive to do business there. AA started flying Fokkers to XNA from ORD about 5 years ago, and the loads have been good.
The only reason that SGF still has service is that it's the closest airport to Branson.
BHMNONREV From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1396 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (11 years 8 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4823 times:
On a brighter note, DL will put a 757 on a daily flight from CVG starting 4/4/04 (unless I'm reading things wrong). Odd move if you ask me....
I would agree Lambert, I know DL has run 757's in the past ATL-STL-SLC so this is certainly curious to say the least. Must be quite a demand thru CVG to the NE business centers, since AA seems to be poking the STL biz traveller right thru the wallet...sorry, that belongs in a past thread...
Learpilot, I live in Leeds to be exact, but not for long. I'm headed to Kuwait for at least a year on an assignment, maybe longer if I like it, but my family will stay in Leeds while I'm away. As far as the MO ties, I grew up in Bridgeton, under the noisy path of 6/24 at Lambert Field...
LambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2092 posts, RR: 34
Reply 16, posted (11 years 8 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4791 times:
That could be a very real possibility. AA's prices to BOS, DCA, and LGA are pretty hefty and DL may thinking they can steal some pax away. Before this addition that I just found today, an FRJ was also added this month which was welcome in its own right. From 6 CRJ's a day in October of '03, to 3 CR7's, 1 757, 1 732, and 2 CRJ's, and an FRJ, talk about a lot of expansion on a route.