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Ever Had A Window Seat Without A Window?  
User currently offlineBofredrik From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5368 times:

That is really a nightmare. I have seen it on some large Airbus and on a DC-8 a long time ago. A row that ens on both side with a WALL!
But have you had this experience yourself onboard?

[Edited 2004-03-30 12:05:21]

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User currently offlineCOAB767 From Guam, joined Nov 2003, 1377 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5342 times:

On Continental 737-800s Seat 8A has a blank wall and I sat there one time it sucked


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User currently offlineAirStatDFW From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 374 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5333 times:

On a ATA and Southwest 738 and 737 got the row with out a window it was hard trying to look out of the window in front of you.


User currently offlineCoa764 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 328 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5314 times:

DC-9/MD-80'S on the last row..


Please oh please Mr Moderator Nazi, dont delete my thread.
User currently offlineUssherd From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 328 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5276 times:

Row 15 on some AZ 763's have no windows


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User currently offlineAkjetblue From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 790 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5268 times:

Grrrrrr ! I was so pissed taking a confirmed seat back FRA-PHL long ago in the 762 - 8 hours with no window and someone elses 4 year old next to me. They promised me a window seat, yeah a seat with the letter "A" but jsut a nice big fat WALL. Not a happy flight.

Haven't bought a ticket on US Air since.
*sigh*
-Philzy



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User currently offlineSallecc From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 56 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5237 times:

Oh, man, my friend had the same problem once, requested window-seat, and his clever travel agent gave him - the white wall...

Is there any particular reason why those windows are blocked?

Cheers,

Sasha from Bosnia


User currently offlineWorldperks From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5228 times:

Sure. On Continental, I've been in seat 6F on a BWI-CLE 735 and seat 32F on a DCA-IAH MD-80. Not thrilled, but it beat walking  Smile



User currently offlineKLbambie From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 98 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5201 times:

Never had it but in my time on Check-in if somebody had hacked me off or had been a real ar*e I would sit them in either seat 7A or 7F of a
Bae146-300, neither of which had a window. A little nasty but these things happen.


S.


User currently offlineTxiki1uk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5172 times:

It happened to me on and IB flight from AB / Sinchonri (K-16) (SSN / RKSM), South Korea">SSN to MD), Spain">MAD. Again, one of the first to check in for and MD-80, got the window seat and there was a window there, but just a nice view of an engine and not a lot else!

User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 16908 posts, RR: 67
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5151 times:

The reason why they are blocked has been discussed at length here:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/tech_ops/read.main/21591/4/

After heated discussion, the consensus seemed to be that there was air conditioning ducting and wiring in those areas.




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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12325 posts, RR: 35
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5120 times:

Still annoying, though. I had a wall on an Austrian A340-200 flight from NRT to VIE. Thankfully, I was able to get moved to a better seat!

(The seat was 10A, in case anyone wants to avoid it in future!)


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 16908 posts, RR: 67
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5111 times:

Quite unfortunately, http://www.seatguru.com does not include this kind of vital info!


"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots."
User currently offlineMerC From Sweden, joined Dec 2003, 590 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5083 times:

Happened to me on a Britannia Airways 752 in 1998 - GOT-LPA-GOT. It was row 15 I think. It sucked..

Last autumn I sat in the last row on a SAS MD82 (CPH-MAD), that is more or less a wall too, the only thing you see is an engine. That sucked too.



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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 16908 posts, RR: 67
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5046 times:

What sucked, the seat or the engine?  Big grin

Couldn't resist...

[Edited 2004-03-30 13:57:54]


"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots."
User currently offlineBCALdavid From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5044 times:

BA Boeing 757s have one, but I cant remember the row, I think it might be 12. I suffered from Larnaca to Heathrow once - but I swapped it for a backward facing crew seat right at the front - far more exciting! Also, their Boeing 767s have them too.

This was the culprit...
You can see where the windows are missing, behind door 2L

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User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3238 posts, RR: 23
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5003 times:

Yep, it was a LH 737 from EDI to FRA. I was row 5, I think... and I didn't
have a window... it really sucked.

Tony



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User currently offlineBlackandwhite From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4972 times:

24Oct 2002 flew NRTSYD on QF747 VHEBS,had a K seat cant remember the row number was but was first row behind the middle door no window and worst of all almost no legroom, if youve flown on a 747 you will have notice a large bump at the bottom of the door were the emergency slide is stored, well this was about 9ins from the front of the seat at my right foot and about 18ins at my left,happily the middle seat was empty so i slide along,if the flight had been full it would have been a nightmare...oh the pleasures of staff travel

User currently offlineDelta777Jet From Germany, joined Jun 2000, 1198 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4968 times:

I flew on December 25th 1995 with TWA Flt 741 from Frankfurt to New York/JFK on N602TW and I was seated in Seat 12-1 (later 12-A) and this had no Window. The crew told me this was the former Business Class Section that`s the reason it had no window! It was suck but the fine TWA Service and nice crew made my journey afterall very good! I miss TWA, but never choose seat 12A on their 762`s!!!

 Smile

Patrick from Hamburg



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User currently offlineLionel From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 391 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4919 times:

Alitalias B772 have no windows in row 22! MXP-NRT without a window. That wasn't a too great experience!

User currently offlineDoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3381 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4887 times:

12/13 according to seatguru on UAL 757.

Starlion- if you know something they don't, e-mail them so they can update their info.



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User currently offlineTomFoolery From Austria, joined Jan 2004, 523 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4862 times:

IAD -LHR on UA 777 had one. Too bad it was at my row. Oh well, life goes on i guess.



tom



Paper makes an airplane fly
User currently offlineBy188b From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4823 times:

On a Britannia 767-300 Orlando - Gatwick. I dont think it was wiring to blame, probably more to do with them cramming 328 seats on the plane.


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User currently offlineBofredrik From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4796 times:

328 seats?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

User currently offlineBusinessboy From Norway, joined Mar 2004, 211 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4762 times:

Tell you one thing, as seen above, a BA 757, someone talks about no window in row 2A, well, i flew BA from Moscow - London, tell ya what, the first row on the left of that aircraft was row 3A,C,E,F. Infornt of me the lavatory was located....




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25 Post contains images Businessboy : sorry, my apologies, didnt read the text correctly, in a hurry, sorry mate!
26 AirbusfanYYZ : In some AC 763s 13K has no window. Cheers, Kaz
27 SW733 : Seat 2A on a Mesaba/Northwest Airlink Saab 340 from GFK to MSP. It was fine though because I was dead tired and is the only time I have slept for most
28 CO2BGR : Non-reving You get what is left over, so sitting next to a wall is not all uncommon. I sat in th emack of MD-80s and DC-9s several times. Going MXP-EW
29 Post contains images Leskova : Had one of those "wonderful" seats on a UA B777-200 from LHR to IAD, I'm not sure what row it was, but it was in the Economy Plus area (during the tim
30 Post contains images Ams : Yes!! I flew in Januari with ANA 744 from CDG-NRT!, I thought I had a Window Exit in Y class, But There was no window! I did have some vieuws at the s
31 Post contains links and images Loggat : Row 6 on UAL 737-300s has a window missing, plus it was the only row on our airplane where the in-seat audio didn't work (but nevermind that). No view
32 Alonk : yep..on an El Al 767-200 from LLBG-KORD.. the longest flight i had "with" a window LOL
33 Starlionblue : I think that after rather rabid discussion in tech_ops, the consensus was that on large jets, the window is not missing because it is "in line" with t
34 Hugojimenez : I quite often use Lacsa's flight 626 from SJO-MIA. My prefer seat is 11A or 11F of an A320. It's a window seat (Emergency exit) plenty of room. The on
35 Post contains images Vio : YES, YYC - YYZ with JetsGo. I asked for a window seat and guess what I have? well yeah a window seat, but 5 inches from my window was the nice 'quiet'
36 Post contains images ScottishLaddie : Yes!, Last summer on a Finnair 757 MAN-HER around row 12 I think. Man was I pissed!! Luckily though, the flight was in the dark.
37 Post contains links 764 : It even happens in Business Class. I once sat in row seven on a United 767-300. It really sucked, since the only window there was so far ahead that I
38 DC9 : 14A? on BAs 763. Big disappointment.
39 Rjnut : row 8 on UA express 146..i was pissed!..i just stuck my head in the shoulder of the person in row 7 and enjoyed the view from there.
40 Ckfred : Some of the rows on the 737-800 have no windows. Supposedly, if the engine were to spit out chunks of fan blades, they would fly into the fuselage whe
41 Post contains links Starlionblue : Ckfred said: Some of the rows on the 737-800 have no windows. Supposedly, if the engine were to spit out chunks of fan blades, they would fly into the
42 FlightLover : Happened to me once when I was flying on a Air Moldova YAK 40 from KIV-OTP. Last row (row 7) had no window. Thank God the flight was only 1h 10min.
43 Post contains images WidgetBoi : Too many times!!!!! jeremy
44 777-500ER : Yes, last week from Genoa, Italy to Rome, Italy on an Air One 737-300. It was horrible. I had to stay with my seat back the whole flight so I could ge
45 Swanhunter : 26A in business class on UA's 747 has a window missing - you have to twist your head back or lean right forward. And I too have had the pleasure of 7A
46 SlamClick : On most planes with wing-mounted engines you will find this in the turbine disintegration zone. Does that suggest anything? In at least one plane I kn
47 CVG777 : Row 1 of the Beech 1900 doesn't have a window. That was not enjoyable, but I suspect it is becuase the propellar was right next to where the window sh
48 D-aqui : argh! - Happened to me more than once on European flights, mostly on 737-models. Think it was the return for having asked in a particularly nice way f
49 SlamClick : PS to my post #46 I once had an opportunity to examine a DC-8-73 that had experienced an uncontained disk rupture in the vicinity of Walker Lake Nevad
50 Aeroflot777 : I'm traveling on a SU 767-300, does anyone know if they have these kind of seats, because I will not want to be stuck there for 13 hrs.
51 BH346 : I had the windowless window seat in 13A on a Delta 737-800.
52 ACEregular : I did once fly to Tenerife on an Air Europa 757 and got a seat in row 15 which had no window -gutted. I always try to ensure my seat has a window now.
53 Zrb2 : I'm booked in seat 6A on an America West 737-300. Any of you know if that's the dreaded "windowless" window seat? The reservation agent said she didn'
54 Potomac : despite what was said to the contrary earlier, seatguru.com DOES detail which window seats dont have windows.
55 Post contains images BritPilot777 : UA 919 T7 - 200 IAD - LHR, believe it was 30J. Was an emergency exit row though so I guess I was partly to blame for being greedy Had a sore neck at t
56 Post contains images Planemannyc : Had a bad experience on EK 777-200 from DXB-DAC. The window infront was barely visible, and when the person infront of me reclined, I had no access to
57 Post contains images Scbriml : I flew on a AeroGaviota An-26 in Cuba in February, and that only had two windows on each side. It was really weird not having any awareness of the out
58 Thrust : Well, I guess this counts...I flew an NWA DC-9 in the very back, and there was nothing to look at out of the window besides the engine nacelle, which
59 Post contains images Bustaphil : It once happened to me on a CX 330-300 from HKG-KUL . As far as I remember it was either row 12 or 13. As we all already acknowledged sitting in an AC
60 Stefandotde : CX 289 SXF-FRA April 4th: row 33 has no window :-(
61 Andz : No window is one thing, but at least you can still look around and see out of a window....how about flying on a 744 where you can see no windows at al
62 UNN1011 : 2A and 2D on the Saab 340...the "prop shedding" section of the fuselage is located in this zone. Unn1011 ./
63 Expressjetphx : Yes, on my very first 747 flight. 8yrs old, British Airways flt BA2289, PHX-LGW, 11hrs, window seat, no window. On the return leg, our window seats we
64 JrMafia90 : On some of Alitalia's B767 row 15 doesn't have a window. I hated it.
65 B737flyer : Those rearmost seats of Fokker 100 or F28, may have no window or if you have one you will enjoy the sight of Rolls Royce engine cowls. But on take off
66 LHcapt2007 : What is the record for time in the forum? Yes I've been unfortunate enough also on an AA727 where the windows didnt quite match the seat (window spaci
67 Asuflyer05 : I've sat in Row 8 on a CO 738 once before from EWR-SAN. Matt[Edited 2004-04-13 14:14:32]
68 Phaeton : On a Lufthansa Boeing 737-500 in row 5.
69 Schweizair : I tell you what sucks, you call to confirm a window seat. When you get there, there's a window but it's one panel ahead of your seat! There's a blank
70 Jcs17 : Seat 21L on a Continental 777 from EWR-IAH. Awful flight, the CO 777 doesn't have personal vents and the flight attendants wouldn't turn the heat off
71 Nycfuturepilot : YES, and i hated it!!!! Row 10 on a CO757 EWR-PBI. To make it worse it was a nice night and I would have had a great view of the city. Today a DL tick
72 Galeaocumbica : YES!! In a Fokker-100, TAM, from VIX-CGH back in 2001. I don't remember seat number/row but the flight was terrible, because wind and rain in Sao Paul
73 Aussie747 : It has all to do with construction / design strengths, where due to the weakness in the hull it is impossible to have a window, In the case of 744's t
74 Nlspot2004 : Last Monday I come back from Riga in a 737-500 of Air Baltic on row 6. There is a window by the seat back. You can only see something when the seat is
75 Post contains images SafetyDude : I was on a BA 767 in Club World and I did not have a window! Luckily, there were only a few people (less than 1/3 full) and I was able to move to a di
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