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US Airways Applies For IAD/BWI-CUN Authority  
User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4068 times:

US Airways has applied with the DOT to serve IAD-CUN and BWI-CUN, beginning around 17 July 2004, initially with Saturday service.

The filing is at http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf89/275068_web.pdf.

US also has a pending application to serve FLL-CUN.

US currently serves CUN from PHL/PIT/CLT/BOS.

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I think this is a very smart move for US. In addition to continuing to expand their Caribbean service, these new services to CUN are a preemptive strike against B6 and their Caribbean ambitions. Since the US-Mexico bilateral limits each city-pair to two carriers per side, no one will be able to add service in the FLL/IAD/BWI-CUN markets, with US/NK serving FLL-CUN, US/UA serving IAD-CUN, and US/U5 serving BWI-CUN.

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Edited to add: From IAD, US currently offers Saturday service to SJU. From BWI, US currently offers seasonal daily service to BDA.

[Edited 2004-03-31 15:35:32]


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User currently offlineContrails From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1829 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4021 times:

I concur with A330323X, this is a very smart move. I'm glad to see them making this pre-emptive strike.


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User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5961 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3977 times:

Since the US-Mexico bilateral limits each city-pair to two carriers per side, no one will be able to add service in the FLL/IAD/BWI-CUN markets, with US/NK serving FLL-CUN, US/UA serving IAD-CUN, and US/U5 serving BWI-CUN.

U5???????????????????  Confused  Confused  Confused



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User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3945 times:

It is very nice to hear for expansion from IAD/BWI-CUN and also, it will be add from FLL-CUN and it is after complete of Spirit Airlines and doing very well with those load factor.

User currently offlineHaveric From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1247 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3874 times:

U5 = USA3000 Airlines.

User currently offlineAll4BWI From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3874 times:

727LOVER:

I'm not sure what your "U5????????" is all about, but if you're unclear on what airline that is, it's USA 3000.



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User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3821 times:

Yes, it is for USA 3000 was already service from BWI-CUN.

User currently offlineAirlineFanatic From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3772 times:

While I love to read about expansion from any and all airlines... US needs to fix the problems of the existing network before it looks to expand. IMHO, they are "spreading themselves thin" and making themselves an easier target.

RE: pre-emptive strike... hmmm. It's not who strikes first but who's there in the end  Big grin


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32191 posts, RR: 72
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3747 times:

Edited to add: From IAD, US currently offers Saturday service to SJU. From BWI, US currently offers seasonal daily service to BDA.

From FLL, US also has twice weekly seasonal service to BDA (WeSa).



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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7524 posts, RR: 43
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3698 times:

I think BOS-CUN is also a city pair that will be complete now on the U.S. carriers' side. I understand that AA at some point filed for authority (I am not sure if service has started, though).

I hope US will make a profit in these routes (at least load factors will be very good); hopefully this will be helpful in their efforts not to disappear.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32191 posts, RR: 72
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3685 times:

I think BOS-CUN is also a city pair that will be complete now on the U.S. carriers' side. I understand that AA at some point filed for authority (I am not sure if service has started, though).


AA has been flying BOS-CUN since before US Airways started service.



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User currently offlineAACUN From Mexico, joined Jan 2004, 507 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3670 times:
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think BOS-CUN is also a city pair that will be complete now on the U.S. carriers' side. I understand that AA at some point filed for authority (I am not sure if service has started, though).


AA already serves BOS-CUN with 2 or 3 days a week service (depending on the season).


User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5961 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3675 times:

Yes, I didn't know what U5 was. Thought it might have been a typo for UA. See, I learned something today!  Big thumbs up


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User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4482 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3543 times:

AirlineFanatic said...While I love to read about expansion from any and all airlines... US needs to fix the problems of the existing network before it looks to expand. IMHO, they are "spreading themselves thin" and making themselves an easier target. RE: pre-emptive strike... hmmm. It's not who strikes first but who's there in the end

Perhaps you need to re-read your post. Yes they need to fix problems on their existing network, this is how they are fixing them. 70% of their mainline route network is unprofitable...guess what is profitable...Europe and the Caribbean. This is a great move on their part. If they were smart they would move as many mainline jets as possible to these longer stage flights and throw the RJs, Embraers and Dash 8s on the short hops in the east.



Any opinion/comment posted is that of my own and not that of Southwest Airlines Co.
User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5961 posts, RR: 17
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3424 times:

I don't understand how low yield Carribbean routes are profitable, yet business routes to LGA and DC and PHL are not. Am I missing something?  Confused


Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3392 times:

Guys,

Are you sure about new flight from FLL-CUN with US Airways? Can you anyone to know about with those new service?


User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3379 times:

Guys,

Are you sure about new flight from FLL-CUN with US Airways? Can you anyone to know about with those new service?


US Airways has yet to make an announcement about any of the new CUN service. They applied with the DOT for FLL-CUN over a month ago. There were no objections to the application, and they should receive the authority within the next week or two. The application proposes year-round service beginning around 17 July 2004, initially on Saturdays only.

The FLL filing is at http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf89/271253_web.pdf.



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User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3353 times:

Thanks for explain to me about new service to CUN.

User currently offlineAirlineFanatic From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3354 times:

Ouboy79... RE: "Perhaps you need to re-read your post."

I re-read it again and I stand behind my statement. US is not going to solve their massive problems by adding some Saturday frequencies to CUN and other Caribbean markets but that's my opinion.

Let me give you a fact

Pax carried USAirways:
2001: 62,000,000
2002: 54,000,000
2003: 47,000,000

aren't we suppose to be seeing post 9/11 RECOVERY... those numbers don't appear to be recovering.

US needs to define where they want to be, who they want to serve and suffice being a niche player doing that (which is who they were comfortably until ambitious expansion - USAir turned USAirways failed).


User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3346 times:

Yes, it is continues to make recovery after 9/11 and doing very good news for expanding with these flights.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32191 posts, RR: 72
Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3317 times:

don't understand how low yield Carribbean routes are profitable, yet business routes to LGA and DC and PHL are not. Am I missing something?

The Caribbean is not low-yield! Limited capacity and limited lowfare compietition (and limited compietition in general to most markets) make it quite a high yield market. Some markets, like St. Croix, Antigua, Nevis, Grenada, and Port of Spain, roll in the profits like crazy.



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User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3293 times:

It is all right for all of those flights to CUN and that is no problems at all.  Smile

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