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YYZ's New Network - The World's Smartest Airport?  
User currently offlineYukimizake From Japan, joined Mar 2004, 529 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3458 times:

This article about YYZ's new shared networking system was in today's Globe & Mail.

http://www.globeandmail.ca/servlet/story/RTGAM.20040331.wairpo0331/BNStory/Business/


'Opfer müssen gebracht werden (Sacrifices must be made)' - Otto Lilienthal
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User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3388 times:

Interesting stuff. Of course the article is a very biased and positive review of the capabilities of this new network. I want to see how it works in practice, and if there will be any significant glitches.

The GTAA says the network is expected to increase passenger volume by 15 per cent to 25 per cent.

Hmmmmm, not sure where they derive this from, but I don't think a network in a terminal by itself will account for an increase in 15 to 25 percent more passengers.

[Edited 2004-03-31 19:17:48]


"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3236 times:

Does anybody else think a new network will singlehandedly increase passenger volume by 15 to 25%? Without taking other factors into account? GTAA claims it will.

Using 2002 as a reference, with 26,000,000 passengers that year, and a 15% increase in passengers, which is the lower end of GTAA's estimated increase in passenger flow as a result of the new network, the airport will see at least an additional 3,900,000 passengers per year. I have a hard time believing that. In order to get increases like that across the board, there must be very significant cost savings passed on to the operaters and hence the consumers. With YYZ being something like the 10th most expensive airport in the world, they'll be lucky to see any increase in the number of passengers, nevermind 15 to 25% more because of the new network.

OK, my little rant is over. No disrespect at all to Yukimizake. It was a great piece of news. I just want to get some discussion going on this matter.  Smile



"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineYukimizake From Japan, joined Mar 2004, 529 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3144 times:

Captain,

I agree with you, I don't see how a new network could have a direct impact on increasing passenger demand. For all the billions spent on T-New and the associated increases in landing fees to the airlines I'm sure the GTAA feels the need to point out the some of the benefits. This could be what is behind their claim of increased passenger demand.

The technology behind it sounds interesting. They say that it will mean a more seamless experience for air travellers, well I'm looking forward to seeing if this is the case when I fly out of there next Wednesday.



'Opfer müssen gebracht werden (Sacrifices must be made)' - Otto Lilienthal
User currently offlineSkywatcher From Canada, joined Sep 2002, 458 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3118 times:

I would think that wireless networks would offer a better solution if an airport wanted to upgrade their data network at this point.
With telrcommunications equipment, costs are decreasing while capabilities are rapidly increasing.The GTA is using 3 year old technology. That's not state of the art in telecom.


User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3059 times:

Yukimizake, make sure you do a trip report for this site! I'm curious to see trip reports out of the new terminal once it opens.


"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16248 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3031 times:

I'm curious to see trip reports out of the new terminal once it opens.

Hmmm. Why?  Big grin

Enter new terminal. Check in. Fly away. What would you expect to be different about flying out of Tnew than any of the other 6000 terminals worldwide?

Maybe I'm cynical. I like new terminals from an architectural standpoint, but functionally, they're all the damn same. Yawn. Pass the mustard.

Until Tnew offers nude checkin girls or free back rubs, it's nothing new at all.








Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3013 times:

Maybe I'm cynical. I like new terminals from an architectural standpoint, but functionally, they're all the damn same. Yawn. Pass the mustard.

Exactly Neil. I'm wondering if it's all it's cracked out to be, that's all. And despite being a large, airy and comfortable terminal, I want to see how efficient it will turn out to be for passengers flying in and out of it.



"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineKlik From Canada, joined Oct 2000, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2994 times:

This "network" is no different to what's in use at every major airport around the world. It mainly focusses on SITA's CUTE network, allowing airlines to log onto any computer at a gate or check-in counter. We do it at Terminal 3 every day.... Maybe it's just something new for Air Canada? I'm not too sure how things work in T2/T1.

How will it get rid of lines? Or long walks to gates? I mean, does this new system have a teleportation device? I don't see what all the hype is about... Maybe the Globe hasn't been to any other terminal in the whole world but T2 at YYZ...

Best,

klik


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16248 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2972 times:

And despite being a large, airy and comfortable terminal, I want to see how efficient it will turn out to be for passengers flying in and out of it.

I bet it won't be more efficient. Just a nicer setting.

An airport terminal should be an architectural "Welcome" to the city. It should be grand. I do not expect to whisk to my gate any faster.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineYukimizake From Japan, joined Mar 2004, 529 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2937 times:

I like the sound of nude check in girls and free back rubs, that would definitely increase passenger demand at YYZ.


'Opfer müssen gebracht werden (Sacrifices must be made)' - Otto Lilienthal
User currently offlineAirbusfanYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2002, 1434 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2870 times:

I am flying out of T1 New Apr 18th looking forward to the experience.

For us frequent flyers out there T1 New is something to get excited about! For the occasional traveller I assume it means quite little as they are not in it enough to attention or lack thereof to important details.

As far aas the the network helping increase pax volumes, I can only assume that the GTAA means in attracting additional carriers to YYZ. New carriers will have less capital expenditures I presume than before? My $0.02

Cheers,
Kaz



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User currently offlineAWspicious From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2815 times:

"Until Tnew offers nude checkin girls or free back rubs, it's nothing new at all."

Perhaps someone should contact Richard Branson. Maybe he, together with the bikers err... I mean businessmen who own some of the adult entertainment establishments could develop a business plan... eh Mr. 7?


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