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UA: ORD-DELHI, India ::::NONSTOP  
User currently offlineOmShanti From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 65 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4107 times:

Recently on my flight back to BOS from LHR a flight attendant told me UA is planning a non-stop flight from ORD to Delhi and I was in awe. Is that something any of you have heard...??

OmShanti

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User currently offlineUNITED777300 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 131 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4025 times:

This is partly new news. United has twice before planned to launch the route but only to canel it before the launch; so it wouldn't suprise me if United actually get around to launching the route this time.


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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7569 posts, RR: 43
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3966 times:

The economy of India, like China's, is growing very fast. And the flow of U.S. foreign investment to India is bigger every year. I am sure that there is a market for a direct link between India and a city like Chicago, so I think this is a nice move by UA. I am sure there will be a high number of business passengers, so I expect the yields to be good.


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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 968 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3915 times:

I assume this route would require the range of the 772ER? Would PW4000 equipped 777 suffer any penalties when leaving a hot airport like Delhi?

Regards,
DFW


User currently offlineOmShanti From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3872 times:

As far as I can remember, the FA mentioned they were planning on the 747 for the route.

Omshanti


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3847 times:

I assume this route would require the range of the 772ER?

No, it would have to be a 744



Would PW4000 equipped 777 suffer any penalties when leaving a hot airport like Delhi?

Probably not. But the 772ER cannot realistically operate this route as twinjets are not allowed to overfly the western Himalayas.


User currently offlineStevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3820 times:

I think it was scheduled to begin in 2001, but cancelled for obvious reasons.

It has always been with a 744 in mind. That's got to be about a 14-15 hour flight...along the lines of ORD-HKG, if not longer.

Edited to include lengths, according to great circle mapper:
ORD-DEL 7,484 miles
ORD-HKG 7,794 miles

So yeah, definitely a 744. Would any of UA's 777 aircraft be able to do ORD-DEL or ORD-HKG? I wasn't sure if they had any of the longer range a/c.

[Edited 2004-03-31 21:37:06]

User currently offlineWilco From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 355 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3778 times:

interesting that its out of ORD... previously UA served DEL from LHR and HKG.... I remember being on the LHR-DEL flight and being fascinated by the irregular flight pattern flown to avoid Iraqi and Afghani airspace...


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User currently offlineOmShanti From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3723 times:

I assume this route would require the range of the 772ER? Would PW4000 equipped 777 suffer any penalties when leaving a hot airport like Delhi?

I don't quite understand, are you referring to the temp. in delhi?

and

Probably not. But the 772ER cannot realistically operate this route as twinjets are not allowed to overfly the western Himalayas.

Is there a reason for this, I have never come across this restriction before. What about the A330's and 767s that land in delhi....and all the domestic flights with two engine...

Thanks
OmShanti


User currently offlineLH477 From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 584 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3727 times:

AC has been running this route successful for about 6 months now from YYZ to DEL. They use A343 equipment which just is about enough interms of range.

I imagine this would be a polar flight through Canada and Russia.



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User currently offline123 From Bolivia, joined Nov 2003, 745 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3707 times:

Why are twins not allowed to overfly western Himalayas....?

User currently offlineSkyguy From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 481 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3686 times:

UA had scheduled to begin operations on a 747-400 from ORD-DEL around the end of September 2001. 9/11 put an end to that plan.
They had even opened up bookings (I had booked a seat for that flight in December 2001) which had to be cancelled and passengers re-routed or money already paid for UA tickets returned.
The logic behind using ORD as opposed to JFK where there is denser traffic volume was that ORD was a UA hub and could serve passengers connecting from both the East and the West coasts of the US, rather than just the East coast by using JFK.
The service was scrapped because of UA's troubles after 9/11 and slump in traffic.
The route should be very successful if re-launched as flights to India in anycase are almost always jam packed or in the 90's at least for load factors.
I would imagine they would use a 747-400 simply as they can get more bums on seats that way as compared to a 777, besides the 744 can easily do the 15 hour flight.



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User currently offlineBoeing747_600 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1295 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3603 times:

UA took out full page ads in all major newspapers in late August 2001 announcing their ORD-DEL nonstop service which was to start the following month.

This route was one of the many secondary casualties of the Sept. 11th tragedy.

If the report is true, I'm glad to see that they're showing some interest in it again. The route was to be operated using a B744 with PW4000 engines.


User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3498 times:

Don't hold your breath for this anytime soon.

User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17420 posts, RR: 46
Reply 14, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3423 times:

"Why are twins not allowed to overfly western Himalayas....?"

From what I understand twin engine aircraft would have to descend lower than three or four engined aircraft in order to get the optimal single engine out performance. This optimal altitude would make operations in and around the Western Himalays dangerous because of aforementioned obstacles.



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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 15, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3355 times:

If UA were to re-launch ORD-Delhi, it would use the 744......and like the HKG services, it would top the fuel tanks to overflow, use the most fuel effecient airframes/engines in the fleet, and make every effort to try to ensure that the flight would be able to operate nonstop. This route, like a few others, pushes the 744 to its opeational limits.

While AC does operate the Toronto-Delhi route nonstop with an A343, it has been reported that the flight is a rather regular visitor to Stockholm (and sometimes Paris) on the difficult westbound Delhi-Toronto leg and even sometimes on the eastbound segment. When AC receives its A345s, the rumor is that they will be assigned to this route so that the frequent operational stops can be eliminated.


User currently offlineBofredrik From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3346 times:

AC make fuelstop here in Stockholm on some of their Toronto-Delhi-Toronto flights. It was here just a few days ago...

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User currently offlineAirportplan From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 469 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3069 times:

Due to the outsourcing trend, there is now a huge amount of business traffic between the Midwestern US and India. If you use Star Alliance Airlines, try getting a ticket across YYZ or FRA to DEL. You might not be able to get your day of choice. I have dozens of friends who work for major Chicago area corporations who now travel frequently to DEL. In additional, you also have a large Indian American population in Chicago, many of whom don't always want to use the ORD-LHR-BOM Air India flight. I believe at this point in time UA could easily fill a ORD-DEL non-stop flight and have a decent yield.

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 18, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2927 times:

ETOPS limitations would require the flights to go around the highest terrain.

Most of the twin ops in India just divert around the range, a longhaul flight can't spare the fuel.

777s are NOT allowed to overfly those areas.

N


User currently offlineAmmunition From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2002, 1065 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2690 times:

would air india persue their strategy of only flying non sop to the USA given competition on the route?

fantastic news if it is true.



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User currently offlineSkyguy From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 481 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2279 times:

Airindia is so disorganized and over-run by venal and corrupt officials that even to sanction the purchase of toilet paper for teh airline a bribe has to be paid and that too takes months. To organize a non-stop flight to US, if they have spare aircraft which they currently do not, will take a long time yet.


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