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Thai To Dump A300 Fleet  
User currently offlineROP From Thailand, joined Jun 2001, 239 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4977 times:

Guys
The krungthepdurakit, Thai-language newspaper reported yesterday that Thai has done a request to its board to dump A300-600 flleet of total 21 aircraft to upgrade its performance. They said this is subjected to be done if Thai need to climb up its position to the better world rank sine the A300 is so much outdate for both business and economy sector and unworth to be improved.
Meanwhile they also said to request to the Airbus for the faster delivery of its ordere A340s flleet since it failed from the UA 744 deal earlier.
Sorry i could not post thee source here since it 's from the real paper not from the website, and yes it's in Thai.

best regards
ROP

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User currently offlineNeptunescar From Maldives, joined Dec 2003, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4913 times:

I will miss their A300's on regional routes. do you know where you can get the tail numbers and names of all the 21 aircraft?


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User currently offlineNethkt From Thailand, joined Apr 2001, 1088 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4840 times:

I don't like TG's A300s. It's time to get rid of them, old aircrafts.
Hope Thai will have A340-500 and -600 soon, also more 744 and 772ER!!
One more thing, please upgrade the IFE now!!! :-(



Let's just blame it on yields.
User currently offlineROP From Thailand, joined Jun 2001, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4785 times:

personnally, i think TG will replace those A300 workhorse with A330-300. what 's your comment??

User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4802 posts, RR: 44
Reply 4, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4599 times:

Yes all AB6 routes will in the future be replaced by A 333s which seat 70 more pax than TGs AB6s.

I would advise TG to keep a few of their 21 AB6s and convert them into AB6Fs as it will come in handy for cargo regional flights to India-HKG-CHINA-JAPAN-ICN-TPE-SIN and KUL-SGN-HCH.

Well now Iran Air can express for interest for TGs AB6s as they desperately want modern aircraft of the late 1980s era.


User currently offlineWingtip From Australia, joined Sep 2000, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4546 times:

Neptunescar: got this from JP Airline-Fleets International 2001/02:

HS-TAA Suwannaphum
HS-TAB Sri Anocha
HS-TAC Sri Ayutthaya
HS-TAD U Thong
HS-TAE Sukhothai
HS-TAF Ratchasima
HS-TAG Srinapha
HS-TAH Napachinda
HS-TAK Phaya Thai
HS-TAL Sri Trang
HS-TAM Chiang Mai
HS-TAN Chiang Rai
HS-TAO Chanthaburi
HS-TAP Pathum Thani
HS-TAR Yasothon
HS-TAS Yala
HS-TAT Srimuang
HS-TAW Suranarre
HS-TAX Thepsatri
HS-TAY Srisoonthorn
HS-TAZ Srisubhan




User currently offlineGreaser From Bahamas, joined Jan 2004, 1101 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4401 times:

It would be stupid to overlook the 7E7 in this matter, they should look into it...


Now you're really flying
User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6618 posts, RR: 55
Reply 7, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4202 times:

Some of their A300s are only a few years old. complete waste of money buying them.

User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4756 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4136 times:

Wow... Wingtip! You sure have a lot of time on your hands!  Big grin

Anyway, I am all for the good riddance of the A300s. Thai has had them for a while now and they are starting to look aged, especially the interiors. The Business Class is a disgrace to it's standing as an international carrier.



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 9, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4063 times:

It's time to get rid of them, old aircrafts.

Roughly the same age or younger than the worldwide 767-300ER fleet.

Some of their A300s are only a few years old. complete waste of money buying them.

Really more of a waste getting rid of them. Replacing them with 333s isn't really a one-for-one swap.

N


User currently offlineCPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4791 posts, RR: 23
Reply 10, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4031 times:

Thai has had them for a while now and they are starting to look aged, especially the interiors

The interior quality has nothing to do with the actual quality of the aircraft, it simply reflects the priorities of the airline. There is no real replacement aircraft for the A300 other than the 767-400, and that is obviously not going to happen. The A330 is heavier and is not well suited to shorter-range routes (QF experience). Why doesn't Thai just redo the interiors if that is all that customers care about and save the money. The used aircraft market is in the toilet.


User currently offlineANA777Master From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3979 times:

Sawadee kop ROP and Nethkt-

I'm disappointed that TA didn't go with Boeing. Me and my Thai gf only fly ANA unless were flying to the north or south, and then will we only fly TA Smile


User currently offlineKorg747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 549 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3906 times:

CPDC10-30,
I agree that the 764 is quite perfect for the replacement. It has both engine commentality with the 744s (GE) and cockpit operation commentality with the 777s that Tg has. Also, the 764 has a range of around 4000nm which is what the A300-600R has. So why TG would not pick it? unless they want to wait for the 7E7 then I can understand.



Please excuse my English!
User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12521 posts, RR: 35
Reply 13, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3906 times:

It is best to do these things while the fleet is relatively young. The A300-600 is a good aircraft and if it can't be sold for pax use, it can be converted to freighter use. TG uses both GE and PW powered aircraft (maybe all the -600Rs are one engine type?), so maybe Air HK, which has recently ordered A300-600Fs could operate them.

Because they're not so old, I don't think there will be a huge urgency about this. Airbus must be the favoured supplier, particularly as there are already A330s in the fleet and A340s to come. I'd say A330-300s will figure in the order, but TG should also look at A330-200s. As well as being very useful for regional flights, they can also be used on long haul flights, for example to Europe, Australia and NZ.


User currently offlineNethkt From Thailand, joined Apr 2001, 1088 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3744 times:

Hello ANA777Master!!

Are you an ANA staff in USA? Just curious  Big grin I also like ANA. I flew ANA back in 2001 when they flew NRT-ORD with 772ER. Want to try the new F class!!

Yeah, I prefer 777ERs over Airbus 345 and 346. The interior of 777 are much better and looks comfortable!! I think the government gets more commission from Airbus than Boeing.  Sad



Let's just blame it on yields.
User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 854 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3620 times:

Why wait for the Dream On Liner, IMO the best option is to get A332/333!
Cheers  Big thumbs up

Michael//SE



Airbus SAS - Love them both
User currently offlineAirbus Lover From Malaysia, joined Apr 2000, 3248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3565 times:

I think this is not of top urgency on their LONG list of to-do things to bring them on par with competition.

They have a shortage of aircraft now and definitely not in a position to dump planes when they do not have the funds to purchase more "new" aircraft. Personally I think the UA deal was a pretty sweet one but TG would not budge for a slightly higher price tag which would still prove to be viable for a bunch of relatively new aircraft that are all well maintained...

AB6s are doing them a lot of good in their network on short to medium haul routes and nothing can really replace them except the B7E7 and to certain extent the A332. They have great cargo capability the B764 doesn't. Adding a totally new type into their fleet doesn't really make sense.

I do however agree that the A333s would gradually replace them as their network grows and demand increase and the extra 70 seats would not be too hard to fill. A332s would be an option.

Rest assured, I think they will still be in their fleet for the next 5 years AT LEAST. Some of them are relatively new A300-600Rs. I believe last few examples delivered were in 1998. Cargo conversion can also be a good idea WHEN they actually do leave their pax fleet. I have to agree that on some of them an interior revamp is much needed but this shows nothing about the plane's efficiency from the technical side of things. They are still their backbone workhorses to build their network in the region (medium haul routes) as these A300-600Rs have pretty long legs up to 7000km.

It will be interesting to see and a replacement is inevitable but I'm sure it will take quite a while seeing they have no rush, and even if they do, seeing how long decisions get made in the TG board, we need to WAIT.  Smile

Thai... a great airline!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineWarren747sp From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1167 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3566 times:

A better option would be the B767-400 to tie them over until the 7E7.


747SP
User currently offlineSkyguy From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 482 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3541 times:

Thai have been trying to streamline their fleet for a long time. When the airline was run (and still is to an extent but less so now) by Air Force generals, the fleet had all sorts of aircraft, BAe, Airbus, Boeing and McDonnell-Douglas's. The costs of maintaining and servicing so many different aircraft types and engine poew plants was very high. To that effect, sometime in the late 90's, management endeavoured to get rid off spare aircraft and try and focus on just two types of manufacturers.
By getting rid of their old Airbus's, this makes their fleet swing more towards a Boeing heavy fleet.




"Those who talk, do not know, and those who know, do not talk."
User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 19, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3487 times:

Warren747sp, just out of curiosity...

in what way would introducing a new type to replace another type, of which some planes in the fleet are still quite new, only to serve as a stop-gap-measure until yet another plane becomes available constitute "a better option"?

And, Skyguy, how does removing the "old" Airbusses constitute a "swing more towards a Boeing heavy fleet", considering that Thai will soon start taking delivery of A340-500s and A340-600s?

Happy contrails,
Frank



Smile - it confuses people!
User currently offlineKa From Switzerland, joined Apr 2000, 661 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3457 times:

Here an interesting link to the A345/6 issue.
http://sg.biz.yahoo.com/040401/15/3j70i.html

KA.



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 21, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3400 times:

The B767-400 is not a replacement option. TG wishes to haul cargo on their AB6s.

Also, that's just like replacing a 767 with a 767 or an A300 with an A300. The 764 is still a 767.

N


User currently offlineMotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3224 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3351 times:

Leskova

Diplomatically put Frank. Here here!

Regards
MH



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User currently offlineWarren747sp From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1167 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3242 times:

HI, Leskova
Just because an airline owns say A340 does not mean automatically that they will have to go for the A330. If Thai wants to get ride of their existing A300, that's their choice.
Of course the A330 can haul more cargo than the B767. But I am not sure how the 764 would compare with the existing A300 in this regard.
The A300 isn't the plane with the best reputation quite a few have crashed with different carriers and 2 with Thai.



747SP
User currently offlineAms From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1691 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3213 times:

Warren747SP,

What caused the TG A300 to Crash?, When did this happen?

Regards,
AMS


25 Gigneil : The A300 isn't the plane with the best reputation quite a few have crashed with different carriers and 2 with Thai. A fair number of 767s have crashed
26 Warren747sp : The one that crashed in Nepal and the one in Bangkok. I don't know the cause of the crash but maybe someone can post it.
27 CX flyboy : Are you sure you aren't thinking of their A310s?
28 Warren747sp : Yes, I think you are right. Are now both A310 ? I think the one that crashed to bits in Nepal is the A300 and the A310 in Thailand. But airlines in Eu
29 Sydscott : Can I raise the issue of how Thai intends to finance this???? The last I heard they weren't in a particularly good financial position. Can they affor
30 Brons2 : Oh brother. There's nothing wrong with 21 perfectly servicable A300-600s. If the interiors look old-upgrade them! If it's true the latest were deliver
31 Elephantboy : The report from Thai-Rath, another Thai language newspaper says that the idea of dumping A300-600s was just raised by Commercial Department of TG in o
32 Roberta : Anyone who says buying 767's to replace the A300 is a good idea is talking complete crap.
33 Post contains images Sydscott : "Anyone who says buying 767's to replace the A300 is a good idea is talking complete crap." For the first time Roberta and I agree!!!!!!! "From the n
34 ROP : Warren747sp If i'm not wrong the 2 crashed Thai Airbuses were both A310-200s. Heard that the one crashed in Nepal was caused by the pilot error (langu
35 Kaitak : Actually, I think at least one of the A310s was a -300. Thai Airways (the domestic airline) ordered two before being merged with TG and then TG got tw
36 Neptunescar : WINGTIP thanks for the ac names and reg numbers!!! Ive flown almost all of them. HS TAO was the Star Alliance logo aircraft.
37 Bd1959 : According to airdisasters.com the 'bus that crashed in Nepal was a -300 with the A310 at Surnat Thani being a -200 series. BD1959
38 Greaser : Kaitak, is TG unhappy with their 777s?
39 Airbus Lover : AFAIK they are not. They are putting an interior upgrade to those B772As they have to serve Japan/Korea routes I heard.
40 Planemaker : Thai to take delivery of eight A340s next year Brendan Sobie, Singapore, ATI News (02Apr04) Thai International Airways has reworked the delivery sched
41 Motorhussy : Pardon me for saying what a few of us are no doubt thinking but, sounds like a few generals may be due for retirement and are looking to fund it throu
42 Post contains images Dynkrisolo : Anyone who says buying 767's to replace the A300 is a good idea is talking complete crap. At this point in time, I agree with you 100%. But it has be
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