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C5 Galaxy Vs. A380...Size  
User currently offlineJmets18 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 178 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 44337 times:

Everyone is always making such a big deal about the A380, and how large it's circumference is. Out of curiosity, is it any bigger than the C5 Galaxy? Also, keep in mind...the C5 galaxy is a true "double-decker". The C5 holds 72 passengers in it's upper deck.

Again, my question to a.netters is this:

We all make a big deal about the size of the A380. Airbus came out and touted their A380 as the first true "double-decker." But doesn't the aerospace community already have a true "double-decker" with the C5 Galaxy?

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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 44232 times:

Aside from a fact that a simple websearch could have complished this for you[r lazy carcass], but anyways:

C5:

Length: 247.1ft
Wingspan: 222.9ft
Height: 65.1ft
MTOW: 840,000lbs



A388:

Length: 239.25ft
Wingspan: 261.7ft
Height: 79.6ft
MTOW: 1,235,000lbs

....with the exception of length, the A388 is significantly larger/heavier in other aspects  Big grin

[Edited 2004-04-01 22:46:40]

User currently offlineJmets18 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 178 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 44186 times:

a simple websearch could do wonders for 90% of the questions asked on this forum. it's nice to hear other peoples opinions though. why do you think it's called a forum?

thanks for being a prick...


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 44155 times:

a simple websearch could do wonders for 90% of the questions asked on this forum. it's nice to hear other peoples opinions though.

um, pray tell, how exactly does anyone's opinion alter the fact that one bird's wings are wider than the other, etc?!  Laugh out loud

oh, and you're welcome for the answers  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineBoeing757/767 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 44154 times:

I think the "big deal" made by Airbus is because the C-5 is a military plane, and you can't compare the two from a passenger perspective.


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User currently offlineThrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2688 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 44099 times:

The A380 is bigger than the C-5A, in length, width, and circumference.


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User currently offlineVafi88 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3116 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 44015 times:

The A380 is bigger than the C-5A, in length, width, and circumference.

Man, reading does wonders.

The C-5 is about 8 feet longer...



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User currently offlineAviationfreak From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1166 posts, RR: 40
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 43970 times:

OK, but would the A380 really the biggest plane built ever. Is it also bigger then the An-124 or 225?
Please do the search for me?  Big grin

Aviationfreak



I love both Airbus and Boeing as much as I love aviation!
User currently offlineAn-225 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 3950 posts, RR: 40
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 43931 times:

It will be larger than An-124-100, but An-225 still beats it.

Also, An-124 is larger than C-5 by a bit and can carry more. Right now, this is how the planes line up size-wise -

An-225
An-124-100
C-5 Galaxy
747-400
And so on  Smile

Alex (still need to shoot a C-5)



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User currently offlineA380900 From France, joined Dec 2003, 1110 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 43852 times:

I think the a380 will have a slightly smaller take off weight than the AN225. The A380-900 should beat it though.

Anyway. These big military aircraft are nowhere near the industrial accomplishment of the A380 (if it is successful and meets its specs). The C5 had huge flaws in its structure which led to reducing its payload. Only two AN225 have been built.

The A380 is supposed to be a viable, profitable and state of the art airliner. Not an inefficient piece of junk without competition, paid by the military like the two old birds.

[Edited 2004-04-01 23:56:34]

User currently offlineVafi88 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3116 posts, RR: 17
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 43685 times:

The A380 is supposed to be a viable, profitable and state of the art airliner. Not an inefficient piece of junk without competition, paid by the military like the two old birds.

Just to make it clear - the An225 is a success, it's an on demand vehicle, and there is really no need for more than 3 or so. Last Ihear the second one is BEING bult.

I don't see how the A380 will be profitable yet, the size isn't needed by airlines all that much, and numbers won't be high on this bad boy.

Anyway. These big military aircraft are nowhere near the industrial accomplishment of the A380

It's a failure so far. Not many orders, and it hasn't even flown yet. Plus, Military carriers are used for something other than sipping wine in first class. They're used for Big tow capability. This is almost like comparing the A330 with the 737-500.



I'd like to elect a president that has a Higher IQ than a retarted ant.
User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5385 posts, RR: 53
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 43634 times:

Do me a favor, A380900. When that metal sausage that may make or break Airbus can airmail a couple AH-64s, or some M-1s, and in short airlift 3/4ths of the air cargo needed to run a war, come talk to me. Until then realize you're comparing apples and oranges and that both the AN-225 and the C-5 are very successful at what they do.


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User currently offlineN754pr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 43561 times:

Wait for the A380-900, that will just be the biggest, longest, tallest......

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 43556 times:

It's a failure so far. Not many orders, and it hasn't even flown yet

So far its the most successful Airbus new-product launch ever, with over 120 orders and having not even flown.

Of course it hasn't flown yet, but it is ahead of schedule.

N


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16846 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 43407 times:

"OK, but would the A380 really the biggest plane built ever. "

I think the Spruce Goose is the biggest plane ever built, and flown.






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User currently onlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8225 posts, RR: 23
Reply 15, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 43398 times:

I don't care what its MGTOW is, it can never beat the AN-225 IMO. That bird is ENORMOUS. The A380 looks short and stubby in comparison.


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User currently offlineN754pr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 43340 times:

Thats why I'm talking about the A380-900.

User currently offlineA380900 From France, joined Dec 2003, 1110 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 43257 times:

To Vafi88:
You say the AN225 is a success but how do you think Antonov paid for the initial investment? By selling one plane? Or maybe by selling pictures of their aircrafts?
You say a second is being built. That's inaccurate. Another prototype which had never been completed or had been completed but then never really used is being restored.
You say the A380 is a failure... I don't think you can reach a verdict at this point. The fact that it is being built and that nobody would buy the stretch 747 is clearly a success for Airbus. I don't think people at Toulouse are disappointed by the sales figure. Of course, they still have to deliver but so far, they always have, I'm sure they will continue.

To Garnetpalmetto,
Well, it is sure that the A380 cannot do all this military stuff you're talking about... What I'm saying is that these two airplanes are not facing any competition. Their design is old. On the other hand, the A380 is state of the art and HAS to be more efficient than any other airliner built before if it is to be a success. Besides, the C5 has a limited payload today because of design flaws. I did not invent this.


User currently offlineVafi88 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3116 posts, RR: 17
Reply 18, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 43197 times:

To Vafi88:
You say the AN225 is a success but how do you think Antonov paid for the initial investment? By selling one plane? Or maybe by selling pictures of their aircrafts?


To A380900:
The An225 is owned by Antonov Design bureau, and it does charters which pay for themselves. It was initially designed to carry the Buran (Russian Space Shuttle) and was paid by the space agency back then to design it specifically for the Buran.


My remark on the A380 wasn't that it's a complete failure forever, but that it hasn't flown yet and until it flies, not you nor I can judge that it's a complete success or a complete failure.



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User currently offlineRussophile From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 43167 times:

You say the AN225 is a success but how do you think Antonov paid for the initial investment?

The same way Airbus paid for the their initial investment. With government money.

I rest my case.


User currently offlineThrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2688 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 43061 times:

Yipes, should've read ConcordeBoy's post...


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User currently offlineLiquid From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 43030 times:

The AN225 C-5 and A380 all preform or will preform a completely different task and therefore cannot be compard. Like others said you cant compare apples with oranges.


-Liquid
User currently offlineAn-225 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 3950 posts, RR: 40
Reply 22, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 43000 times:

Even 380-900 will not surpass An-225. Remember, An-225 is the only aircraft that does not fit into 80m by 80m gate space. A-389 has to.

Alex.



Money does not bring you happiness. But it's better to cry in your own private limo than on a cold bus stop.
User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 42895 times:

I wondered about this, where is the limit between a WIG and an sea-plane,
which altitude? I consider the SG as a WIG?
Link http://www.se-technology.com/wig/index.php


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17014 posts, RR: 67
Reply 24, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 42855 times:

Alessandro, the Spruce Goose did not use ground effect, so it cannot be compared with the Ekranoplans.

Liquid, no offence man, but please use the spellcheck.

The A389 will be bigger than the Galaxy. What's the big thing about apples and oranges? Will it have a higher MTOW? Yes. End of story.

The fact that the A389 cannot fly ground vehicles or helicopters does not make it "less capable". If Airbus carved out a front door, this would not be a problem. Conversely, you could put seats all along the main deck of a Galaxy.

As for the two deck thing, IIRC the C-5 does not have an upper deck along the entire length, but I may be wrong.



"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots."
25 Alessandro : Starlionblue, do you know how high the SG flew?
26 PHXMKEflyer : Starlionblue...nice catch on Liquids post, I didn't even catch ONE of those spelling errors the first time I read it...LOL
27 A380900 : an225, the takeoff weight of an225 is 600000kg, takeoff weight of A380-800 550000kg. Why is it so unreasonable that an a380-900 in the future might ha
28 Starlionblue : Alessando. The Spruce Goose did not fly very high, but not because of technical limitations. It was doing a taxi run when Hughes took it up. There was
29 Roberta : don't see how the A380 will be profitable yet, the size isn't needed by airlines all that much, and numbers won't be high on this bad boy. The A380 o
30 Bmacleod : This sounds like a good topic for a new discussion. Imagine if passenger versions of C-5s had gone ahead; it would've meant disaster for Boeing since
31 Post contains links Starlionblue : C-5 as a passenger version sounds good on paper, but the plane is "too rugged". (Very) High mounted wings also mean slower turnaround (more stuff to c
32 MD-90 : The C-5 could never be a commercial success because it cost too much, both in downtime to fix the myriad rundundant systems and in money (high engines
33 Ken777 : I have no doubt that the 380 will fly and be delivered. In terms of performance for the airlines I would be concerned about the increasing cost of fue
34 AvObserver : The proposed L-500 civilian version of the C5-A would have carried up to 500 passengers on its' twin decks, handily exceeding the 747s of the time and
35 Post contains images Solnabo : This thread is getting out of hand!!!!!! ******Jeeeehhhhhh******* Michael//SE
36 MD-90 : I just remember a great article on the C-5 from Air & Space Magazine (a very classy publication) that mentioned just how much maintenance they require
37 Corey07850 : Does anyone else find it funny that people are arguing about the performance and size of the A380-900... the second aircraft in a model line in which
38 GDB : Even funnier that aircraft for very different missions, with very different designs from different decades, are being compared. Rather like an ocean l
39 Post contains images Tristar2000 : I agree with Solnabo, this thread is getting out of hand. It's getting too political. Let's face it: on one side, you have the Americans that don't re
40 Maiznblu_757 : The C5 is far superior than the A388. There is no comparison.
41 Unattendedbag : What is the comparison between the A380-500 and the Starship Enterprise? Could someone do a search for me?[Edited 2004-04-03 23:31:50]
42 Richard28 : The C5 is far superior than the A388. There is no comparison. thanks for that intelligent post. Please also share which is better, the F-15 or the Boe
43 Unattendedbag : His respect rating is 37. Better listen to what he says!
44 Post contains images Tristar2000 : RR of 37, does that mean anything outside this forum, for all I know people who have never seen a plane up close can have a rating here. Although by s
45 MD-90 : RR ratings don't even mean anything on this forum unless it is higher than 50 anyway.
46 Spaceman : Is that the half way to become god mark?
47 Phxinterrupted : "The A380 only needs 58% capacity to break even, assuming similar ticket prices to current airlines." Says who? Airbus? It's interesting how often the
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