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User currently offlineAirworthy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4274 times:

I'm a volunteer at CLE and was wondering what you guys think of the airport.

Most people complain about the long walk on the C Concourse, but what else do people like/dislike at the airport?

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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8370 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4250 times:

I think they spend entirely too much money on Duct tape. And why is that bathroom by B security such a dump?!


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User currently offlineAirworthy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4236 times:

When my group of volunteers started training the Cleveland Port Director came in to talk to us.

He talked about the duct tape, and he said they have a huge interior design plan that includes changing the carpets. He said they will put in the new carpet sometime in the spring or summer after the winter, and the salt, ends. They are also hiring an interior designer to update the whole airport I think.


User currently offlineInnocuousFox From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2805 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4213 times:

From what I understand, "Cleveland Rocks". I think I heard it on TV once.  Big grin


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User currently offlineNcflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 494 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4195 times:

airworthy, you should search for threads on Cleveland, it's one of the most commonly discussed airports on this board.

There's lots of little problems with the place-- it's just maintained so horribly-- in fact in today's age, you'd think they go with tile more than carpet-- it's a heck of a lot more durable and easy to keep clean given all the salt in the winter. And it's what the nicest and most modern airports use. We'll be back at duct tape in a few years.

But some of the big problems: Terminal C is so narrow-- it doesn't have good bones as they say-- to really renovate it would take more than an interior designer. It should really have a moving sidewalk. And why they didn't build a direct tunnel from Terminal D to the Main terminal remains a mystery to me. As the crow flies, they are very very close together, yet as the passenger walks, it is too far. I have a 4 year old, and I would be happy enough traveling without a stroller, but when I travel out of CLE, I feel like I have to have one-- it's too much for such a child.

And the other big one: The international arrival set up for CO has got to be a major turn off for folks who have a choice in connecting hubs. Why pick CO and CLE when other airports have a much better set up.

Finally, while I like the fact that rental cars share one bus type, the rental car location is sooooo far away. The best modern airports have walkable rental cars, yet in CLE, you practically have to drive to Akron. I heard, but can't verify, that rental car businessin CLE really suffered when they moved so far away (taxis and the RTA must love it though.


User currently offlineWorldperks From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4186 times:

Cleveland-Hopkins is the only airport I've ever been strip-searched in.

And these pre-TSA security guys seemed to enjoy it waaaay too much. I'm really beginning to wonder about you people.  Laugh out loud



User currently offlineClewatcher From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 248 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4166 times:

hello airworthy,
I too am a volunteer at the airport.
My guess on why the bathroom at B is the most used on landside on that level. the bathrooms over by A is almost hidden. and people dont want to loose theyre place in line to get thru to the gates.

Some things that could be done toCLE, People movers thru C, like that have in the C-D tunnel.
The observation deck being resufraced and reopened.
direct access to the new 100th Bomb Group restauraunt.

Perhaps there are plans to add a new tunnel to D from the main terminal in the future, But they would have to add another security checkpoint.



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User currently offlineSpoon04 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4149 times:

I had to drive to CLE today to pickup a client. As I stood waiting for him at the exit point to C Concourse, I scoped out the lines attempting to get through security. UNBELIEVEABLE !! Also, the complete lack of satisfactory areas for those of us waiting for inbound passengers is horrible. Maybe fifteen chairs in all. Ncflyer is absolute right-on.... why the underground tunnel wasn't constructed directly from D to the main terminal defies comprehension. The whole damn place should have been imploded years ago had politics not entered into the picture.
On the brighter side..... TRY CAK !! It's just the opposite of CLE - convenient, VERY user-friendly, and most accessible. Short-term parking is located no more than a hundred feet or so from the terminal doors, and the parking rates are half of what rates are at Hopkins. Air Tran is doing a wonderful job of increasing service with EXTREMELY affordable rates. I don't utilize CLE unless I absolutely HAVE TO !! UGH !


User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8370 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4131 times:

Consensus? CLE SUCKS!


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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4101 times:

A few points:

-There will be a major renovation of at least some areas this spring/summer
-there will be tile put in on the floor at the counter area, at least near CO's
area in the springtime.
-Concourse C will be getting new carepting in the spring, in the main walkway
area.

-I agree about a walkway from the counter to D, but when when D was built, CO told us there wasn't enough local traffic to D to justify such an expensive project-and it would cost a lot of $$ that neither CO or the City really has right now.

-A walkway on C wouldn't work. 1. The floor wasn't built strong enough for it, and 2. The concourse isn't wide enough to really handle a walkway. C would have to be widened a good 20 feet or so to the west, and the floor reinforced for any type of walkway. That's not going to happen.

CLE is paying the price of years of neglect from the City. The city allowed the airport to become surrounded in the 40's and 50's; they didn't see the jet age comeing in the 50's and 60's; they didn't grasp the importance of hub airlines in the 70's; and they constantly fought their main carrier in the late 80's and the 90's.

Despite having better leadership at City Hall, and running the airport, there is no quick fixes to Hopkins.

I think if the city is going to tear down the IX Center in the next decade, they should seriously consider putting a new, passenger friendly terminal on the spot where IX now sits. There's enough room out there to put in a modern terminal, parking, another Hotel, the rental car areas, etc. And then where the Terminal is, could be made a new, modern cargo area. But I doubt anyone in CLE is that smart, unfortunately.


User currently offlineSpoon04 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4064 times:

Alpha, you completely nailed it !! The Whizbangers at City Hall just didn't have one ounce of foresight as the jet age of the sixties and seventies approached, and captured the industry. Trying to renovate Hopkins is very much akin to tricking-out a beaten-up '67 Impala and trying to make it go faster. You can try, but it just ain't going to work... I guess tearing down the IX Center could be a start, but you're STILL going to be burdened geographically with the residential neighborhoods of Cleveland, Brookpark, and Berea surrounding the acreage. In any event, I guess we're stuck with our White Elephant of an airport for the remainder of this century. It's just that our city deserves so much better......

User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5600 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4047 times:

The counter to building a new terminal is the PIT story. They built US a billion dollar beauty and are about to get stuck with the bill. Between the US/PIT story and UAL recently sticking LAX, SFO, and JFK for hundreds of millions in bankruptcy, US airport construction is going to be VERY hard to finance in the future.


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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8370 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4003 times:

Yeah but at least with a nice terminal. you stand a chance of another airline wanting to hub at your airport. If CO left CLE for some reason, nobody would want to take their place except maybe at D.


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User currently offlineNcflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 494 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3979 times:

I think D is about the last place anyone would take due to its distance from the terminal. If Co leaves, they would be replaced by an heavy O&D dependent discount carrier. What O&D discount carrier in their right mind would want to be so far away when C would have good availability as well.

Need to take a trip to DFW and noticed that AA only has 4 CRJ's per day, wow they've really cut back.


User currently offlineNcflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 494 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3963 times:

And by the way, there's got to be some hope for Alpha1's plan, I mean if DTW and MDW can turn the corner (MDW is much more land constrained), why can't CLE?

User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3947 times:

I have not been there in a couple of years but i remember the main terminal being a piece of junk while the Commuter Terminal (D) was actually pretty nice.


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User currently offlineStartvalve From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3935 times:

They call it the mistake on the lake for a reason. Next time you are there mosey down to one of the Continental counters and give Alpha1 a big wet kiss on the mouth for me

User currently offlineAeroman62 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3919 times:

If you're a connecting passenger, the CO hub is a gem - I'd rather change planes here than in IAH or EWR, reminds me of AA's old RDU and BNA hubs, or the PI DAY hub, in their glory days. I, however, never stay in CLE, so I couldn't speak to the security lines, ticket counter issues, nor have I used the the LGW service there on CO, so can't comment on the customs facility. For a domestic connecting passenger, it is grand relative to other options.

User currently offlineNcflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 494 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3897 times:

Startvalve, Mistake on the Lake was the deserved name coined for the old Municipal Stadium-- not the city. I don't remember who coined it, probably some sportscaster. The Mistake on the Lake is now gone, replaced by a more modern football stadium. It has nothing to do with the city, and as someone who has lived all over the country (Boston, Chapel Hill, Chicago), I challenge anyone to find me a city with a better overall quality of life than Cleveland. Reasonable inexpensive, practically nonexistent traffic due to an extremely well designed highway system, tons and tons to do, and an incredible history of philanthropy funding museums and the like dating back to the turn of the century that blows away anything that new fangled cities such as ATL, RDU, PHX or AUS will ever, ever have. OK the weather stinks, but that's one criteria of many

So not trying to make this into a defend Cleveland forum, but I can't resist.


User currently offlineSpoon04 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3873 times:

"Mistake on the Lake"..... Startvalve, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt by assuming that you are referring to the airport and NOT the city of Cleveland. As Ncflyer so eloquently stated above, the city of Cleveland offers a wonderful quality of life, with a myriad of things to do in all seasons. Only the most ignorant of people (most of whom have never spent any time here) utilize the "Mistake by the Lake" line which is so lame, misguided and unbecoming.

User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5600 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3819 times:

I fly to CLE about once a month and the security checkpoint, since they moved it back from the concourse entrances, is about as painless as it ever gets.


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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8370 posts, RR: 23
Reply 21, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3797 times:

Yeah the new checkpoints are much faster and less constricted, I find. Especially by concourse B. They went from only 2 metal detectors to 4 in a much bigger area.


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User currently offlineAirworthy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3777 times:

I've always wondered why they built the concourses as narrow as they did. Most other airports like IND and others that were built during that time are much wider than B or C.

They should fix the baggage claim area and especialy the arrival screens (except for CO). For airlines like SW and AA they are still the black and white screens from the early '80s.

I don't think they will ever fix the observation deck as that was supposed to be for non-ticketed pax and since 9/11 it serves no use anymore.


User currently offlineIndio66 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 475 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3765 times:


Hey, at least CLE has Paul Simon walking through the concourse in the opening scenes to "one trick pony." That place looked great in the late 70's


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3704 times:

I think D is about the last place anyone would take due to its distance from the terminal.

That can be rectified with a walkway directly from the counter to D. Like I said, it would cost some $$$, but it can be done, probably in a span of a year or so.

I've always wondered why they built the concourses as narrow as they did. Most other airports like IND and others that were built during that time are much wider than B or C.

It goes back to that decades of lack of foresight that I mentioned. It was indemnic to the whole political structure of the city for 50 years, vis-a-vis the airport.

They should fix the baggage claim area and especialy the arrival screens (except for CO). For airlines like SW and AA they are still the black and white screens from the early '80s.

That's up to the individual carrier, not the city.


25 NIKV69 : I fly CO through there to Vegas from NY and I like it, clean and easy to find my way around. I thinks it's very nice.
26 Post contains images Jcs17 : Its not the worst airport in the world, it could be a hell of a lot better though. The "new" Continental Express terminal is very nice with a large gl
27 Post contains images Alpha 1 : Another downside is that a.net user Alpha1 works there. It was the highlight of your trip in CLE, Jcs. Too bad you don't have the chutzpah to tell peo
28 N766UA : Hey Alpha1 you workin' Tuesday morning?
29 Post contains images Alpha 1 : Nope, I don't do mornings
30 Startvalve : So spoon.. could you read by the light of that flaming river?
31 Alpha 1 : So spoon.. could you read by the light of that flaming river? Jesus, Startvalve, that happend 35 YEARS AGO, for crying out loud. It's ancient history.
32 Spoon04 : Startvalve, I didn't realize that subjects of U.S. History were contained in the latest editions of the "Weekly Reader". And by the way, I see by your
33 Redngold : Startvalve -- your comments belong in non-av threads about Cleveland, not threads about our airport. GO AWAY! To the rest: The reasons for Concourse C
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