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User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5777 times:

What are some new AA routes you guys could see come to frutation? I could see the following
SFO-FLL (strong possiblity, heavily rumored)
DFW-BIL (oil business)
SJC-LGW (supplementing BA's SFO flights)
MIA-FCO (fashion industry)

Please feel free to add more if you wish

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User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5682 times:

My guess that would likely with new service from FLL-SFO anytime soon and we'll shall look see into the future.  Smile

User currently offlineUs330 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 3871 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5664 times:

DFW-BIL will not nor ever happen. If oil business was so crucial, than Continental would already be flying to Billings from Houston, which they aren't. Besides, Billings is not a major oil center.
AE already tried DFW-BOI and it didn't work, so i don't see any possibility of this happening.


User currently offlineMikey711MN From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1397 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5638 times:

If anything, my guess is that AA service would be added to medium-sized markets that are for now only served by the AE RJ's.


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User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5640 times:

possibly BIL-ORD? that may be a possible route, i have heard rumors of it beginning, i guess that we shall see.

-Copa


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32694 posts, RR: 72
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5604 times:

What are some new AA routes you guys could see come to frutation? I could see the following
SFO-FLL (strong possiblity, heavily rumored)
DFW-BIL (oil business)
SJC-LGW (supplementing BA's SFO flights)
MIA-FCO (fashion industry)


SFO-FLL has been rumoured for a long time. I keep hearing "next summer...next summer". Its one of those rumours that is always strong, but never happens. Hopefully, though, "next summer"...

MIA-FCO would easily fill up the plane, but there is no fashion industry traffic between Miami and Rome. The traffic is between Miami and Milan, which is why Alitalia dropped MIA-FCO a while back in exchange for adding more MIA-MXP flights to meet strong business demand on the route. MIA-MAN or -FRA would happen before FCO, though.

Four new routes you will be seeing this year (all on Eagle):

Miami-Dayton
Miami-Memphis
Dallas-Torreon, Mexico
Dallas-Nassau

As for the Miami area, there are a lot of routes being tossed around. AA is planning a major destination build-up in Miami, which started in mid-2002. AA has added/announced 13 non-stop destinations to Miami since June 2002 and four to Ft. Lauderdale (as well as increasing FLL-LAX capacity four folds). The more likely ones:

Miami-Providence
Miami-Grenada
Miami-Seattle
Miami-San Diego
Miami-Phoenix
Miami-Kansas City
Miami-Valencia, Venezuela
Miami-Manchester, UK
Miami-Cozumel
Miami-Roatan

Also keep an eye out for Ft. Lauderdale-San Jose, CR or Ft. Lauderdale-Guatemala City, especially as Spirit starts getting closer to thier Central American expansion.

Another route rumour I have been hearing lately is Raleigh-Los Angeles, and a handful of new Mexico routes, mainly from Dallas (ORD and MIA will get in on some too, though), thanks to thier new codeshare with MX.

It is all rumours though (except for the first list). We'll just have to wait and see...



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User currently offlineJAL777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5552 times:

The infamous HKG routes. I would really like to see those.

User currently offlineAtcboy73 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1100 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5347 times:

How about reinstating the STL-SJC service?

User currently offlineQqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2272 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5301 times:

The company is actively engaged in discussions with the pilot's union to secure changes to the contract to allow for "Ultra long range" flying. The company has said they hope to begin ORD-HKG service sometime in mid-2005. It's not a matter of if, but when. AA already has authority for the route. In the last contract for the flight attendants, a provision for long flights like ORD-HKG was included, and discussions had begun with the pilots. Then 9/11 happened and the talks were put on hold until last month.


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User currently offlineEXMEMWIDGET From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5266 times:

Miami-Dayton
Miami-Memphis
Dallas-Torreon, Mexico
Dallas-Nassau

What is the projected start up date for these new routes?


User currently offlineEALSYS1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 229 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5239 times:

I'd love to see MIA-FCO!! I don't think I'll have a chance to fly it on a trip that I won for this Summer!! : (

Sam


User currently offlineShlomoz From Israel, joined Jun 2000, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5192 times:

What about JFK-TLV?

AA still has the rights to it (from the TWA "acquisition") and never excersized it. With LY flying the route 3x daily and CO flying EWR-TLV twice daily (just reinstated the second daily) and with airlines like LH flying using twice daily 744's and/or A340's as feeders into FRA for its ongoing connections to the U.S. - this is obviously a very profitable market. Whay wouldn't AA throw a couple of 777's (or 763's) at TLV?


User currently offlineNcflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 482 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5158 times:

RDU has sure been getting a nice build up from AA, whatever happened to RDU-SJC (or was it SFO) that was in the works prior to 9/11. How about more RDU to Florida routes, such as Fort Myers. RDU-MSY. I'm trying to think which Midway routes were the most successful. Even RDU-ATL, ATL is such a major business center for RDU that I could see AA wanting to round out its business portfolio out of RDU.

User currently offlinePera From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5150 times:

I hope they will come back to ARN in the future!

User currently offlineHUYfan From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 1406 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5104 times:

MIA-MAN
LAX-MAN
LAX-AMS
DFW-AMS

Regards

Mike


User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5214 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5058 times:

In some ways, AA is very adverse to risk. Even though TWA had, at one time, an extensive route network in the Middle East, I don't see AA resuming flights into that part of the world until there is some sense of peace.

My guess is that when the new terminal is finished at JFK, there will be some expansion of service to European destinations.

I would also expect to see some continued growth at STL as the economy picks up. WN seems to be focusing its energies on growing its PHL operations.

Finally, I think there will be more growth once AA is financially able to buy replacements for the Fokker fleet. What the replacement will be has been discussed on other threads, but when AA finds a suitable two-class aircraft that can be flown profitably, then it will start flying routes that have been turned over, wholly or partially, to Eagle.


User currently offlineMia From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 872 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5017 times:

Hola. I wanted to point out that AA used to to MIA-FCO or MIA-MXP on a seasonal basis but we havent seen that again since September 2001. I think the new destinations sound cool. I hope Aeropostal (ALV) is able to compete against American in all three of its gateways to Miami. I think American should look into its backyard. Florida is an untapped market that Delta controls. Intra-Florida flights are overpriced and if American realized that more people would fly to Miami as a gateway with cheaper fares they would sell out their intra-florida airplanes. I know TLH-MIA is a big market that NEEDS to be tapped, is crying to be tapped, and customers request that it be tapped. I think that a cool destination from Miami would be Portland, Maine; at least seasonal service. US and UA seem to sell a lot to Florida, not to count the college population in Maine (Bowdoin, Bates, Colby, USM, etc). Another cool flight from Miami would be a non-stop to Lansing. Airlines need to become cutthroat and compete for christ's sake. Stop giving each other niche markets and compete!


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User currently offlineAa777flyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4970 times:

I keep hearing that we will begin ORDHKG spring 05.

As far as SJCLGW, dont hold your breath, I doubt we will ever see this. AA did apply after the Reno Air merger for this route but did not get it. Since then AA has dramatically cut capacity at SJC, and I dont think they could make the flight profitable. There just is not enough O/D traffic or feed since AA has dramatically cut capacity.

I have heard though several times AA will DROP the SJCNRT route in the fall.

AA cannot add to much LONG HAUL capacity, at this time we just dont have enough airplanes, and with no new deliveries till 2007, at the earliest, any new long haul routes will come at the expense of others.


User currently offlineFlyPIJets From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 898 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4926 times:

Regarding RDU-SJC, LAX, SFO, et al.

The plans were for RDU-SJC not SFO, Research Triangle - Silicon Valley express. This route is one of those is it or is it not a good idea routes. Seems testing the waters is about all anyone wants to do. SWA use to fly one stop RDU-MCI-SJC. Midway flew SJC and we know how Midway ended up. AA use to fly it one-stop. DL now flies it one-stop. And NW and HP fly it one-stop eastbound only. Wonder what O&D is for this city pair?

RDU-LAX is another is this a good idea or not route. Midway planned it (not sure if it was ever implemented) Seems to me, AA use to fly a 767/757 one stop LAX-DFW-RDU and timed it with the RDU-LGW flight. This route is an on going rumor. I'd like to see the O&D on the city pairs. See if the rumor is warranted.


[Edited 2004-04-02 17:15:47]


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User currently offlineSpike From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1170 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4886 times:

1. ORD to the BANK?
2. Hanger 3 to Hanger 1 for a re-spray, re-think, on the UA colour scheme.
3. ORD - Kabul (KBL?) to facilitate a much needed airlift.
4. Chicago to Ho Chi Minh City (ORD-HCM) vfr flights  Smile
5. Chicago - Narita - Chongqing (it would make money).

Spike.


User currently offlineFlymunich From Germany, joined Mar 2004, 171 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4853 times:

New Route for summer 2005 or 2006:

DFW - MUC ? ? ?

or

Lufthansa MUC - DFW ? ? ?


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32694 posts, RR: 72
Reply 21, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4745 times:

Hola. I wanted to point out that AA used to to MIA-FCO or MIA-MXP on a seasonal basis but we havent seen that again since September 2001.

American never flew non-stop between Miami and Italy. They offered daily one-stop service MIA-ORD-MXP for a very long time, though that was it.

Miami-Dayton
Miami-Memphis
Dallas-Torreon, Mexico
Dallas-Nassau

What is the projected start up date for these new routes?


MIA-DAY and MIA-MEM on 02Dec04, IIRC. DFW-TRC on 1 August 2004 and DFW-NAS around 1 July 2004. The last two still need government approval.

What about JFK-TLV?

I'd think they'd be better off trying MIA-TLV. Market is way underserved with only two weekly El Al flights. Though we won't be seeing them in Tel Aviv anytime soon.

RDU has sure been getting a nice build up from AA, whatever happened to RDU-SJC (or was it SFO) that was in the works prior to 9/11.

It was not prior to 9.11. The route was announced in late 2002 for a 2 March 2003 start. It never started.

I would also expect to see some continued growth at STL as the economy picks up

STL growth will be very minimal, if any. Miami and Dallas will see the most growth. Plans are for Dallas to add about 15-20% more flights and Miami will go from the current 240 or so daily flights to about 330-350 dailies in 2007.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16857 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4672 times:

AA still has a outstanding judgement against them in Israel, Israeli courts have decided AA is liable for judgements won against TWA on behalf of fired workers in Israel.

Unless AA settles (pays up) this multi Million dollar judgement they are going to avoid flying to Israel, if they did the first plane they flew there would be confiscated and sold to pay the judgements against them.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32694 posts, RR: 72
Reply 23, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4624 times:

Does any one in their right mind go to Tel Aviv?

That's a pretty stupid question. Of course people go to Israel. This summer, Continental Airlines is adding a second daily EWR-TLV while El Al is nearly doubling YYZ-TLV capacity and upgrading MIA to 744s.



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User currently offlineVectorVictor From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4588 times:

Miami will go from the current 240 or so daily flights to about 330-350 dailies in 2007.

I certainly hope by the date indicated that it will include nonstop San Antonio-Miami flights.


25 MAH4546 : I certainly hope by the date indicated that it will include nonstop San Antonio-Miami flights. Most likely will, probably operated by ERJs.
26 ScottysAir : Hey MAH4546, Are you still have anything expansion out of MIA anytime soon with AA flights? How? I am still answer with your question about of AA futu
27 Rjpieces : Are you joking Spike? There is huge O&D demand between NYC and TLV as well as other US cities to TLV.
28 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : Chicago - Narita - Chongqing (it would make money). First of all, AA doesn't have rights to serve the PRC mainland Secondly, there's no way at this po
29 ScottysAir : Yes, it is always full flight from JFK/EWR-TLV on LY. It is already competition of LY and they already did make codeshare with LX from TLV-ZRH-JFK or
30 Ckfred : What I would like to see is added service from YYZ, YUL, and YHZ to Florida, particularly MIA, FLL, and MCO. If CanJet and JetsGo can fly to Florida f
31 UA744KSFO : Yeah, even if you have full flights to TLV from the NYC area, that doesn't mean that any of the passengers are sane!
32 Spike : Concordeboy: Ho Chi Minh City is more often than not HCM on your baggage tags rather than SGN. Maybe in the US they still believe its called Saigon? S
33 Anxebla : Maybe DFW-MAD non-stop?
34 Carnival air : This is no joke. Why don't they expand there Caribbean service from San Juan? Maybe start European flights: From SJU to: CDG (4 x week) LHR/LGW (eithe
35 Afay1 : AA opened an office in Moscow awhile ago, so other than tracing lost bags, they must be planning a launch of a route to SVO or DME...
36 LambertMan : Ckfred, I would like to see some STL expansion, but in all likelyhood they will slowly continue to add flights back, similar to what they are doing ri
37 MAH4546 : This is no joke. Why don't they expand there Caribbean service from San Juan? Maybe start European flights: From SJU to: CDG (4 x week) LHR/LGW (eithe
38 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : Ho Chi Minh City is more often than not HCM on your baggage tags rather than SGN. And what negligent airline would this be??? I know of none who place
39 Leneld : PDX-JFK possibly......
40 Dutchjet : One of the posts above suggests a major expansion out of SJU. Its interesting, AA long ago had planned to develop a major international hub at SJU - w
41 Bartond : I'm with you FlyMunich - I would think that Lufthansa would want DFW-MUC more than it would DFW-FRA. MUC is building up that hub so you can connect to
42 ORDagent : QUOTE: Concordeboy: Ho Chi Minh City is more often than not HCM on your baggage tags rather than SGN. Maybe in the US they still believe its called Sa
43 ConcordeBoy : Perhaps a Saturday SJU-MSY would work
44 ScottysAir : Do you need anything else with future expansion out of SJU?
45 Ywg777 : Id like to see AA more in Canada. They could start DFW-YEG and DFW-YWG routes. AA needs also to start YHZ-LGA or JFK. I can see these routes doing wel
46 MAH4546 : AA needs also to start YHZ-LGA or JFK. I can see these routes doing well. Thrice-daily JFK-YHZ starts in June.
47 Upsmd11 : With AA starting MIA - DAY service and MIA - IND service I wonder if they will ever consider MIA - SDF service? SDF is now the 16th largest metro area
48 Elwood64151 : I wouldn't expect to see many new AMR-owned companies adding routes anywhere, except for Eagle to take over mainline routes. Maybe you'll see increase
49 MMEPHX : Bring back ORD-BHX!!
50 PVD757 : I've heard MIA-CMH 3x daily (ERJ)- not just the weekend only service they have now. Sometime this fall... Say what you wat but, some AA folks up here
51 Chepos : I belive we won't be seeing any new AA routes into San Juan in the near future. Concerning European, Central America and South American routes- there
52 PSU.DTW.SCE : There's always been the long standing rumor of Eagle starting DTW-BOS ERJ service, to connect to TATL's and capture O&D on the route. If Eagle can mak
53 Post contains links VectorVictor : SDF is now the 16th largest metro area in the country. Louisville sure has grown alot from the end of 2003...actually they are 42nd largest MSA http:/
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