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Star Alliance News, Expansions And USAirways  
User currently offlineLeviticus From New Zealand, joined Oct 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 8 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6162 times:

Some of these topics have been discussed for some time now, but there have been many speculations, here are some points that can be more or less viewed as "facts" ! Just received an article from my friend, it is from one of the last weeks issues of the German newspaper "Handelsblatt" (unfortunately I do not know which day since the article is cut out), and contains an interview the vice president of Lufthansa. Here are some statements.

The USAirways entry date to the alliance is finally set to the 4th of May.

It is clear that SAA is now joining the alliance after many years of partnership.

Qatar Airways has been reportedly approved by the Lufthansa, and is to enter Star Alliance soon. (Well this is something new for me at least !)

And that Star Alliance is seeking to expand in China, India, and is at the moment negotiating with Air China, Air India, Indian Jet Airways, Sahara and Indian Airline. While Thai and ANA is looking for more Chinese destinations.

It certainly looks like the biggest alliance will grow even more...

[Edited 2004-04-03 15:35:19]

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User currently offlineTonyBurr From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1039 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 8 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6025 times:

Great info, thank you. Qatar is certainly a new one! Glad US is entering soon. Any word when Star may go to a common Frequent Flyer Program?

User currently offlineChepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6229 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (10 years 8 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5903 times:

Nice to hear US is going into STAR on May 4th, which means I'll be flying on a STAR carrier soon.
Chepos



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User currently offlineLeviticus From New Zealand, joined Oct 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 8 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5796 times:

TonyBurr,

Yet I have not heard anything about the common frequent flyer program of star, but maybe that would not even be necessary. My personal opinion is that the Star Alliance carriers are very cooperative and their frequent flyer programs are very much alike with, unlike One World and Skyteam. And maybe, while more and more carriers are joining, a common FF program would only cause chaos.


User currently offlineA330DAT From Belgium, joined Nov 2001, 469 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (10 years 8 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5673 times:

GROW?

Yes, but you forget to mention what's leaving the alliance... MEXICANA has left Star Alliance on March 31st in favor of a cooperation with American Airlines and Iberia (a hint for oneworld?) !!!

 Smokin cool


User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 8 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5662 times:

Yeah, it is good to make expansion with the star alliances with US Airways. I will able fly with UA for quite while. I can't remember that was flew with UA either.

User currently offlineLeviticus From New Zealand, joined Oct 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 8 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5628 times:

A330DAT,

Yes you are right, it is a shame that Mexicana is leaving the alliance for One World but I am sure that Star will try to pick up a new carrier as soon as possible in the Central American region.

BTW, do anybody know how much Mexicana paid to exit the alliance ? As far as I know, the current "fine" is around 3 million Euro or even more.

[Edited 2004-04-03 19:06:08]

User currently offlineJohnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5266 times:

well, that LH has finally approached QR is only surprising since they seem to have been hesitant with (in the past, LH had withdrawn its code from some QR flights). basically, i'd say it's been pretty much on the horizon that QR would be approached one day...

and as concerns MX, i recently read that LH has already approached TACA as possible candidate in Central America. but TAM already's got an alliance with AA, don't they? leaves pretty much room for speculation...

the question remains whether MX leaving/being kicked out of the alliance is really a major setback for the customer of the Star Alliance, which i think it is not, because most crucial Star members maintain their codeshare partnership with MX, with the exception of UA, of course, which has lost a close ally in one of its key markets.

it's also very interesting that LH has allied with AI but still considers Jet Airways to be a more suitable partner to cater for the Indian domestic market. but in order to receive more traffic rights to India, LH had to tie up with AI which has a limited domestic exposure.

so many (prospective) members already, i really wonder how they are making/going to make this work...

rgds
daniel




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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7619 posts, RR: 42
Reply 8, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5224 times:

Leviticus, MX did not leave Star Alliance for oneworld. MX is going to remain independent and will continue codesharing with LH, AC and RG notwithstanding its new partnerships with AA and IB. In addition, MX is not an airline from the Central American region as you suggest in your last posting since Mexico is not a Central American country; Mexico is a North American country. And the operations of MX in Central America are insignificant compared to its operations between Mexico and the U.S.; as a matter of fact, MX has the largest market share of flights between the two countries with 1 of every 4 flights between Mexico and the U.S. being served by MX.

In connection with the penalty fee for leaving Star, I believe MX did not pay any penalty fee at all since it did not leave the alliance, but was rather kicked out of it. Somebody please correct me if I am wrong. I think that what happened is that MX decided not to renew its codeshare agreement with UA and that automatically brought the number of codeshare flights of MX with other Star members under the minimum contractual threshold; the consequence was to expell MX. In other words, in order to avoid payment of the penalties, MX got itself kicked out. Smart move in my opinion.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33195 posts, RR: 71
Reply 9, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5214 times:

In connection with the penalty fee for leaving Star, I believe MX did not pay any penalty fee at all since it did not leave the alliance, but was rather kicked out of it. Somebody please correct me if I am wrong. I think that what happened is that MX decided not to renew its codeshare agreement with UA and that automatically brought the number of codeshare flights of MX with other Star members under the minimum contractual threshold; the consequence was to expell MX. In other words, in order to avoid payment of the penalties, MX got itself kicked out. Smart move in my opinion.

IIRC, that is exactly what happened. Very smart move on MX' part.

While the current plan is to remain alliance-less, I do believe Mexicana will find itself in oneWorld in due time.



a.
User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5169 times:

Star Alliance also requires miles and lounge access reciprocation between each and every one of their members...when Mexicana pulled their reciprocation with United, that was also part of Mexicana getting shown the Star Alliance door...


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User currently offlineConnector4you From Canada, joined May 2001, 933 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 5085 times:

STAR might soon lose Air Canada, and that could potentially hurt badly the whole Alliance . . . United is not out of the woods yet!

Smart move for Mexicana though !



User currently offlineAl From Australia, joined Jun 1999, 593 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4955 times:

I believe BD is soon to announce MAN-PEK, MAN-BOM and MAN-DEL.
Cheers.


User currently offlineLeviticus From New Zealand, joined Oct 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4695 times:

Al, Do they really have enough equipment for that ?

User currently offlineLfutia From Netherlands, joined Dec 2002, 3352 posts, RR: 31
Reply 14, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4617 times:
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Sadly,I dont think that Jet Airways will go w/ the SA. Why I think that, they already have codeshare agreements w/ NW/KL. I would think that Copa would but they are tied w/ Continental. Indian Airlines is tightly connected with Air India so what ever alliance Air India goes into, watch Indian Airlines go into. Sahara... Their fleet isnt big enough although slowly, very slowly they are gradually adding new things.


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User currently offlineTonyBurr From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1039 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4461 times:

Connector4yo, why do you say that Air Canada may soon be out of STAR? Because of their finances or other reasons with STAR?

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 16, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4408 times:

Al, Do they really have enough equipment for that ?

Actually, they just do.

N


User currently offlineNeptunescar From Maldives, joined Dec 2003, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4285 times:

with these sort of expansion plans....
i think the listings for Star Alliance members will soon include only the airlines NOT part of the alliance....




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User currently offlineLeviticus From New Zealand, joined Oct 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4073 times:

I must say that I am very pleased to hear that BMI finally have gotten more long-haul equipment, I am looking forward to fly their widebodys. And hopefully they will introduce more transcontinental flights, not only to China/India.

User currently offlineAl From Australia, joined Jun 1999, 593 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4001 times:

Al, Do they really have enough equipment for that ?

I can't for the life of me remember how many wide body Airbii they had, as some of them are/were leased out, so it's quite possible they either do have it, or with the current glut of aircraft available fast and more importantly cheap, can get it.



User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33195 posts, RR: 71
Reply 20, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3944 times:

I must say that I am very pleased to hear that BMI finally have gotten more long-haul equipment, I am looking forward to fly their widebodys. And hopefully they will introduce more transcontinental flights, not only to China/India.


They have not added any long-haul equipment. They have three A330s, just like they've always had.



a.
User currently offlineLeviticus From New Zealand, joined Oct 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3894 times:

Well my bad then, I did not realize that they are able to serve all the long-haul destinations with only those. Maybe the services will become even less frequent then what they use to be.


User currently offlineUAFAN17 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3852 times:

Who exactley is the Key STAR member? Why would MX be smart for not renewing its UA codeshare contract, a lot of UA flights in the US were MX codeshare. But, Mexicana is smart for partnering up with IB. I wouldn't say AA because AA has a smaller schedule than UA, meaning less codeshare oppurtunity.

User currently offlineLeviticus From New Zealand, joined Oct 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3820 times:

Usually the key Star Alliance member used to be Lufthansa, after all they were the ones starting the whole thing and now they are acting like some kind of boss in the alliance. But then again, MX seemed to break to rules against UA on purpose to be kicked out (do not ask me why) so now they are out of the alliance... But they still have codesharing programs (and even exchange of FF miles is aloud) with several Star Alliance members for instance Lufthansa ! Now that is one strange thing that bugs me, maybe the issue was "personal" between MX and UA ?

User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7619 posts, RR: 42
Reply 24, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3669 times:

UA neglected the U.S.-Mexico market and that disappointed MX. Of all the legacy carriers in the U.S., UA became the weakest one in terms of flights between the U.S. and Mexico. Since the flights to the U.S. from Mexico are MX's cash cow and MX has the most market share (1 of every 4 pax on a U.S.-Mexico flight chooses MX), MX realized its alliance with UA was helping UA more than it was helping it, and therefore decided it was in its best interest to get out of it. There is a separate thread going on now that deals with the scope of the new MX-AA codeshare and you can see it is way broader than the UA codeshare because MX will codeshare on all AA U.S.-Mexico flights, on many intra-U.S. flights, in many trans-Atlantic flights, and even in flights to Canada and South America, while AA will codeshare on all domestic MX flights. Besides, AA is the largest U.S. carrier between Mexico and the U.S. in terms of passengers, so codesharing with AA will be great for MX.

As for LH, RG and AC, they have decided to continue their partnership with MX because their codeshares have been successful. As a matter of fact, LH has renewed its agreement with MX a few weeks ago. I do not see MX joining oneworld in the short term. Its decision to maintain codeshare agreements with the airlines who can feed it a lot of pax irrespective of the alliance they belong to is a very smart strategy.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
25 Travellin'man : the last time i flew United (last month), they still listed Mexicana as an ff mile accruable airline for Mileage Plus. Is this in fact the case, or is
26 Leviticus : Travellin'man, all I can say is "it depends". From April the first Mexicana is no longer a member of the Star Alliance and you usually (on most carrie
27 Copenhagenboy : You still earn EuroBonus on Mexicana From SAS homepage: Note! Effective from April 1st, 2004 Mexicana Airlines will change from being a Star Alliance
28 Leviticus : Copenhagenboy, thank you for the clarification. The things I posted must be reagrding the Basic points then.
29 MAH4546 : I wouldn't say AA because AA has a smaller schedule than UA, meaning less codeshare oppurtunity. Smaller schedule? Less codeshare oppurtunity? Think a
30 Ricardomexico : I just read in a Brazilian aviation magazine that South African Airlines could be joining Star Alliance. SAA announced code share with Varig (a star a
31 Post contains images BMIFlyer : Considering that U.S Airways are supposed to be an official member of the alliance from 1st May, why have they not yet announced it?? I mean, we are a
32 Aad665 : Hi, i just flew through MUC yestersay. I was watching the boarding screen at the gate and, for example, a flight MUC-TXL, the sreeen showed :LH 1234 c
33 EddieDude : South African Airways will join Star very soon. You can find more info in the www.staralliance.com website.
34 Aaway : "But, Mexicana is smart for partnering up with IB. I wouldn't say AA because AA has a smaller schedule than UA, meaning less codeshare oppurtunity....
35 Al : Considering that U.S Airways are supposed to be an official member of the alliance from 1st May, why have they not yet announced it?? I mean, we are a
36 Post contains images BMIFlyer : Sorry, i got the date wrong!! Good to see i now have another carrier to take me across the pond from MAN Thanks Lee
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