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Airbus: 'First A380 Airports'  
User currently offlineTeahan From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 5293 posts, RR: 61
Posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 17001 times:

The December issue of Airbus’ technical magazine FAST has a fairly interesting article: ‘A380, a solution for Airports’.

Page 2 includes a map with the likely first A380 airports based on carrier interest and forecasts for future A380 routes. Though Airbus has previously published such maps, none (that I know) included dates.

2006/2007 Airports:

San Francisco (SFO)
Los Angeles (LAX)
Montreal Dorval (YUL)
New York Kennedy Intnl. (JFK)
New York Liberty Intnl (EWR)
Miami (MIA)
Paris, Charles de Gaulle (CDG)
Frankfurt (FRA)
London Heathrow (LHR)
Jeddah (JED)
Dubai (DXB)
Karachi (KHI)
Bangkok (BKK)
Kuala Lumpur (KUL)
Singapore (SIN)
Sydney (SYD)
Melbourne (MEL)
Auckland (AKL)
Tokyo Narita (NRT)
Hong Kong (HKG)
Seoul (ICN)

2008/2009 Airports:

Chicago (ORD)
Memphis (MEM)
Anchorage (ANC)
Zurich (ZRH)
Munich (MUC)
London Stansted (STN)
Amsterdam (AMS)
Doha (DOH)
Osaka (KIX)
Colombo (CMB)
Beijing (PEK)
Shanghai (PVG)
Taipei (TPE)
Brisbane (BNE)
Jakarta (CGK)

’Others’ before 2010:

Vancouver (YVR)
Toronto Pearson (YYZ)
Washington (IAD)
Honolulu (HNL)
Orlando (MCO)
Pointe a Pitre Guadeloupe (PTP)
Fort de France Martinique (FDF)
Manchester (MAN)
Luxemburg (LUX)
Milan (MXP)
Rome (FCO)
Nice (NCE)
Paris Orly (ORY)
Liege (LGG)
Johannesburg (JNB)
St. Denis La Reunion (RUN)
Bombay (BOM)
Delhi (DEL)
Dhaka (DAC)
Guangzhou (CAN)
Manila (MNL)
Okinawa (OKA)
Fukuoka (FUK)
Tokyo Haneda (HND)
Sapporo (CTS)
Perth (PER)

The whole article can be viewed here:
http://www.airbus.com/pdf/customer/fast33/FAST_33_p7_16.pdf

Jeremiah



Goodbye SR-LX MD-11 / 6th of March 1991 to the 31st of October 2004
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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9712 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 16753 times:

Interesting article Jeremiah,

One thing surprises me about this list. Amsterdam is listed as being ready for the A380 in 2008/09. As far as I know, the current G-pier at Schiphol Airport is already able to handle the A380. Can anyone clarify this?

Regards A388


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9712 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 16743 times:

I forgot to mention the new runway (Polderbaan) at Schiphol Airport which is also capable of handling the A380.

Regards A388


User currently offlineTeahan From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 5293 posts, RR: 61
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 16721 times:

@A388:

From what I understand, the article does not discuss airport readiness, rather the year of the first expected A380 regular flight.

All the best.
Jeremiah



Goodbye SR-LX MD-11 / 6th of March 1991 to the 31st of October 2004
User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 16339 times:

Oh geez, not again......didnt we have this discussion before in terms of the A380 ever being operated in the U.S.?? I recall it was an ugly debate that was endless. This is probably going to be the debate again....part 2.


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User currently offlineTcfc424 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 517 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 16252 times:

I think that because this list is based upon BOTH airport readiness and carrier interest, it is based upon 1) the ability of an airport to handle the type, and (more importantly) 2) The carrier's desire to fly the aircraft into/out of the airport. Obviously, the aiports that are the most restricted (slot-wise) are going to be the first to see this aircraft (provided they can handle the A380).

This thread should not take on an A vs B tone...no reason for it here. For the record, I am a Boeing fan, but I respect the engineering that it takes to put such a massive aircraft in the air. I am still riding the fence about whether I would like to fly on such a large aircraft, but that is another thread all together.


User currently offlineCol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2093 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 15921 times:

Not read the article, but the list is very interesting. A big driver on the list will be Emirates, they seem to be building capacity into routes preparing for the 380. I am presently on an Asian tour and have flown several SQ 744/772, all full, I would guess that SQ may need the extra capacity as soon as available, and maybe bring some stored 744 capacity back.

User currently offlineRuscoe From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1541 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 15820 times:

"based on carrier interest and forecasts for future A380 routes"

Would not AIRPORT OWNER interest be more relevant.

And LAX as I understand it, cannot be ready because of budgetery time frames even if it is their desire!

Ruscoe


User currently offlineMotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3132 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 15783 times:

Ruscoe

Well said, otherwise it's just marketing hype or conjecture from the aircraft manufacturer - in this instance, Airbus!

Regards
MH



come visit the south pacific
User currently offlineCol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2093 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 15727 times:

Airport owner interest in USA = 380 readiness year 2020.



User currently offlineTeahan From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 5293 posts, RR: 61
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 15634 times:

@Col:

Well you are ignoring MIA, LAX, SFO, MCO, ANC and JFK which are all more or less ready/getting ready.

Jeremiah



Goodbye SR-LX MD-11 / 6th of March 1991 to the 31st of October 2004
User currently offlineA340600 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 4105 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 15468 times:

Damn LGW's not on the list  Sad

Sam















Despite the name I am a Boeing man through and through!
User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 15450 times:

Where´s South America, like Rio, Buenos Aires or Sao Paolo?
Also Cayenne and Paramaribo?
Sigh...



User currently offlineTeahan From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 5293 posts, RR: 61
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 15344 times:

@Sam/A340-600

Just rechecked the map and LGW is actually in the 2006/2007 airports. My omission.

Jeremiah



Goodbye SR-LX MD-11 / 6th of March 1991 to the 31st of October 2004
User currently offlineCasa235-300 From Spain, joined Jul 2002, 38 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 15257 times:

Hi

Well I'm just disappointed cause any Spanish Airport is included in the report. I don't think Madrid Barajas won't be ready for an A-380 after they finish the new Terminals.  Crying. Maybe not. Somebody knows it?

Bye


User currently offlineTeahan From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 5293 posts, RR: 61
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 14961 times:

@Casa235-300:

Good point. I was most surprised not to see Madrid included, especially given Iberia had previously been linked with ILFC A380s. I would certainly have considered the airport a more likely candidate than Nice for example.

Jeremiah



Goodbye SR-LX MD-11 / 6th of March 1991 to the 31st of October 2004
User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 14570 times:

Teahan said: @Col:

Well you are ignoring MIA, LAX, SFO, MCO, ANC and JFK which are all more or less ready/getting ready.



None of the airports are even ready for the A380 at this time. I doubt that they will be ready anytime within the next 5 years (or ever..) because no U.S. carrier (flag or not..) has ordered any of them. Plus...theres no room to expand here in the U.S. anyway so why bother?




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User currently offlineVSGirl From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 14474 times:

One would hope LHR is ready, as VS have ordered the A380 lol.

Kimberely.


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7080 posts, RR: 57
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 14399 times:

Article in todays Financial Times on the work being completed At Heathrows Terminal 3 to accomodate the A380

http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=FT.com/StoryFT/FullStory&c=StoryFT&cid=1079420138286&p=1012571727114



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User currently offlineNudelhirsch From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 1438 posts, RR: 19
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 14300 times:

Hi,

interesting map, Jeremiah, thanks for sharing with us.

What came to my mind when I read this, how are airlines planing to handle diversions due to airport / weather problems? Especially Australia, US (Except Northeast), JNB, because the distances are pretty big, also other regions, even in Europe with a high density of 380-ports, the diversion would cause flying distances of an hour or more to the actual destination. This might be pretty difficult to handle.

Also, does anybody see the effect of reduced traffic due to 380 or rather increased pax figures? I vote the second...



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User currently offlineCarnoc From China, joined Oct 2001, 875 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 14286 times:

Airbus has been working very closely with the Civil Aviation Administration of China (CAAC) to make sure that a number of airports throughout the Chinese Mainland won't have any problem in coping with A380s before the Beijing Olympic Games in 2008.

[Edited 2004-04-05 11:34:19]

User currently offlineT prop From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1023 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 14210 times:

Honolulu by 2010???  Nuts

That one will never happen, not in our life time anyway.

T prop.


User currently offlineFLYSSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7402 posts, RR: 57
Reply 22, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 14081 times:

In an internal newspaper issued last week, Air France confirmed that its A380 will be configured between 530 and 540 seats (the final configuration will be fully decided within the next months), and that its first destinations will definately be : JFK, YUL, LAX, NRT and later : PEK, SIN, HKG...

User currently offlineWolkenridder From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 14029 times:

I'm not really sure about when MAD will see 380's. Maybe from SQ? I think the traffic on SQ's routes to MAD is not big enough for a 380 at all. We have to remember the main intercontinental traffic ex-Madrid is Latin America and I doubt any Latin American carrier will get a 380 in the next 15 years at least.

What's about Mexico City, does anyone have any idea about possibilities for the 380 in MEX?

Rgds.


User currently offlineSailorOrion From Germany, joined Feb 2001, 2058 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 13934 times:

As far as I know, MEX is very high up the list for LH. Currently being served 10 flights a week with 744, and possibly at least 14 flights a week by 2008.

SailorOrion

[Edited 2004-04-05 15:08:10]

25 Post contains links Teahan : @AirFrameAS: None of the airports [MIA, LAX, SFO, MCO, ANC and JFK] are even ready for the A380 at this time. I doubt that they will be ready anytime
26 Peteinmiami : Well MIA is getting ready too, as part of the airport expansion every concourse is going to have at least on A380 ready gate, the North Terminal, the
27 7E72004 : They forgot to add MDW!!! *lol*
28 MAH4546 : Well you are ignoring MIA, LAX, SFO, MCO, ANC and JFK which are all more or less ready/getting ready. None of the airports are even ready for the A380
29 Downingbarry : I find it interesting to see London Stanstead on that list for 2010, as at present it completely dominated with nothing but short-haul and low-cost ai
30 Teahan : @Downingbarry: I presume FedEx A380Fs. Jeremiah
31 Ssides : Interesting that DFW, ATL, and IAH aren't anywhere on the list. I doubt these markets could support A380 passenger service, but cargo service is anoth
32 Marcolic : Hi Mexico is considered to receive AF and LH A380 for regular flights to Mexico City, that is what I have heard, Marcolic
33 Ken777 : PER is listed and DFW is not? lol
34 Cloudy : Someone asked about emergency diversions. Just about any significant airport will be able to land A380's in an emergency. There is a big difference be
35 Teahan : A pretty interesting statement by Bill DeCotE, Aviation Director of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, reported in the Tribune Business Ne
36 Post contains images Mark_D. : YUL's lone A380 twin-boarding gate --on the currently-under-construction new International pier -- ought to be about ready to go when the pier opens e
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