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User currently offlineBunga777 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 46 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 9 months 3 hours ago) and read 4099 times:

I"m planning a trip to Hong Kong in August. I've checked the online ticketing sites, and the cheapest fares appear to be on Asiana, Philippines or China Airlines. Anyone have any comments on these airlines?

Thanks in advance.

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User currently offlineAms From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1692 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4016 times:

I have flown Asiana Airlines some years ago on a 763 between SEL-FUK, and was quite impressed with their service!, and the food is also good!

unfortunately I did not got a chance to fly CI or PR, maybe some other people can respond to the above airlines.

Regards,
AMS


User currently offlineN754pr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3969 times:

Philippines or Asiana..... forget China Airlines.

User currently offlineAeroyu From Hong Kong, joined Oct 2000, 178 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3950 times:

Here is my choice :

1st - Asiana (good services)
2nd - Philippines (no comment)
3rd - China Airlines (poor safety, perfer do not choose)



Kai Tai - I missed you so much
User currently offlineWarren747sp From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3908 times:

I believe Hong Kong is PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA now so don't expect them to vote for China Airlines from Taiwan.


747SP
User currently offlineKl808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1585 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3844 times:

I would say it will be between PR and OZ forget CI (bad safety record).

I would think that the flight with PR would be faster. therefore i would choose PR (friendly FA's).

drew



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User currently offlineCPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4811 posts, RR: 23
Reply 6, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3837 times:

China airlines apparentley has relativley good cabin service. However, I think it is a crime for anyone to willingly pay money to such an inept company that has killed hundreds of people.

User currently offlineN754pr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3823 times:

Mr. Chu,

Not from Taiwan by any chance? Thats the only reason you could say something so silly. CI have a terrible safety record so don't try and say its got something to do with politics!!

In the past 10 years or so CI have crashed 2 x A300's, 1 x 742, 1 x 744, 1 x 742F, 1 x MD-11...... is that not a good reason not to fly them?? Lets not forget the 742 they ran off the runway in Manila and the A343 that departed from a taxiway!!



User currently offlineCarfield From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1946 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3780 times:

Well, I think Asiana and China Airlines both have strong cabin services, especially meals and legroom wise -- 34" on their Boeing 747 fleet.
Philippine Airlines simply is bad in terms of cabin service, so I will pick CI and OZ over PR for sure. In terms of inflight entertainment, all these airlines are rather weak. OZ only offers PTVs on Boeing 777s in Y (from SEA and SFO), and CI only offers PTV in Y in Airbus A340s (from JFK, SEA and IAH).

My ranking is
1. Asiana -- you can get UA miles too
2. China Airlines -- due to poor safety record...
3. Phillipine Airlines

Carfield


User currently offlineKalakaua From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1516 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3748 times:

Please... Safety record a major issue now? I've flown on China Airlines HNL-MNL several times, and I am still here today. You folks make it sound like they crash their aircrafts everyday!!! Stop over-reacting and over-exaggerating. I bet you haven't even flown on CI yet. CI has above average cabin service compared to PR. And I should know, because I fly to MNL from HNL many times. BTW, from what destination are you flying to Hong Kong?


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User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4757 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3739 times:

With all these factors in mind, it would be good to fly a carrier not normally reported on in this forum (eg. PAL) and write a trip report about it. We can then compare them to more established carriers and the juxtaposition is interesting in its own right.

PAL might not be the strongest carrier financially but you have never heard a report about bad cabin service - well, on this forum at least.

While the accidental record of CAL is nothing to be proud of, they are excellent when it comes to in-flight service. I have flown more than a few sectors with them between Singapore and Hongkong and have yet to have a bad flight with them (between 80s-early 90s).



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User currently offlineAlexchao From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 688 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3608 times:

I would suggest China Airlines or Asiana Airlines.

I've flown China Airlines a couple times, and they offer pretty good service.

Although their safety record is questionable, they are improving.

-alexchao


User currently offlineKl808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1585 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3576 times:

Ryanair

I totally agree with you. Nice reply.

Try out PR and you would actually enjoy the flight.

PR offers PTV's on one of their B744. If your lucky. This aircraft I believe is the ex Kuwait jet. N744PR i believe.

drew



AMS-LAX-MNL
User currently offlineWarren747sp From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3557 times:

N745PR
How many CI crashed happened as a direct result of Hong Kong Airport Authority failing to close the airport during hurricane conditions?
I don't see any thing silly about earlier comment which reflects actual state which we live in.
the moderator on this site said that I can't answer you personally, so there
Mr. ???? of PRC.



747SP
User currently offlineAirbus Lover From Malaysia, joined Apr 2000, 3248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3545 times:

Didn't know N745PR is from PRC  Big grin

Well there are always people saying that CI is improving and I would really hope that it is true because they do have a great cabin service and some pretty decent product esp on their A343s. Thing is everytime you think they are getting better comes another crash. Last one being their B742 on the way to HKG, this is no fault of HKAA. Not to mention near misses such as the A343 taxiway take off at ANC. I really hope there will be an end to this. As such now that I am thinking they are improving, I am afraid not too far into the future comes another hit.

One airline that has won my confidence from this is KE. We have really seen them improving and they have no accidents for quite some time now; very good compared to CI. CI's cycle is improving->crash in 1-3 years time->improving->disaster strikes again->on and on. I hope that the B742 was the last and they will be like KE...

Until a few more years of perfect safety record for CI, I will refuse to fly them.


User currently offlinePA841 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3531 times:

Philippine Airlines is a fabulous carrier to fly on. A340's or B744's over the Pacific. Inflight service which includes the warmth of the Filipino people. You will be addressed as "Sir" or "Ma'am" by the cabin staff. Good food which will not be thrown at you by a grumpy flight attendant. I could go on and on. Have I been on PR recently? You betcha...just last September YVR-MNL.
I don't think they could have gone downhill in the past few months.


User currently offlineBunga777 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 46 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3515 times:

Thank you all for your responses.

User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4757 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3486 times:

If you are tallking about the people, I would agree that the hospitality of the Filipino people would win hands down because it has been proven culturally. PAL was after all "Asia's Sunniest Airline" for a while!

If you have the chance, get your hands on the Mabuhay in-flight mag from PAL. It has one of the cheeriest layouts and copy I have ever encountered on an in-flight mag. This vibrance really reflects on the way Filipinos lead their life, full of colour and music in the face of adversity. Speaking of music, just look at the hotel lounges of the world and tell me you have not seen one with a Filipino band!

Lovely people...

PAL is indeed a colourful airline - like its country.




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User currently offlineIWW From Taiwan, joined Apr 2004, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3486 times:

I advise CI. As most people consider, CI has good service in all cabins also on the ground, especially in the Homebase Taipei. Their cabin are perfect, especially in the A340-300.Also, CI do their best to make everything better, include the safety. SQ give them some teach.
I fly with CI in this year more than 20 times, from LAX, BNE, HKG, BKK and so on...The most important result is "I am here". There is NO any accident. They improve their flight safety. If CI did not improve their safety, why Delta (DL), Atalia (AZ) Airlines will have cooperation with CI?
All airlines have their own advantage/disadvantage. We should not only foscus on the disadvantage. Also, no airlines will be the same all the time. Which airlines did not make any mistake in the past? The same for people.
Fly CI one time and you will fly more.

Note: Not all the reasons of all CI crashs are the CI's responsibility. Each crash will have many reasons. It is UNFAIR to put all the reasons on CI.


[Edited 2004-04-06 08:26:14]

[Edited 2004-04-06 08:30:32]

[Edited 2004-04-06 08:33:41]

User currently offlineCx flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6643 posts, RR: 55
Reply 19, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3444 times:

Just because an airline has not crashed in the last year, it doesn't mean that they have not improved....just lucky. Does anyone have any proof that they have changed their corporate culture and flight operations department? Didn't think so.

I have friends at China Airlines flying 747-400s and A340s. I have heard plenty of stories to know I will not be stepping on board one of their flights, no matter what the service is.


User currently offlineIWW From Taiwan, joined Apr 2004, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3429 times:

It also do not mean the airline is fine if it never have any crash.
Do anyone can proof Cathay Pacific, Dragonair...etc..will not crash in this year?
No any report shows the CI will take "ALL" responsibility in "ALL" crashs. Don't put all wrongs on CI. Some people blame CI just for political reasons.

As my experiences in flying with CI, CX, KA, QF, AE, BR, UA, DL, HP...I think China Airlines is worth for people to fly with.

[Edited 2004-04-06 09:59:52]

User currently offlineMacmac76 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3364 times:

Well, I have a flight coming up in November of this year...IAH-SEA-MNL and back...can't wait to fly on CI's PTV-equipped A343s!

User currently offlineCPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4811 posts, RR: 23
Reply 22, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3317 times:

Not all the reasons of all CI crashs are the CI's responsibility. Each crash will have many reasons. It is UNFAIR to put all the reasons on CI.

We're not comparing them to BA, AC or QF - only to other airlines in the same region. Your statement might be true if all other airlines in the region were having similar safety problems, but it simply isn't true. CI has had an ridiculous number of crashes for an airline from a developed country. And yes, Taiwan is essentially a country if anyone wishes to debate me on that  Smile/happy/getting dizzy.

All airlines have their own advantage/disadvantage. We should not only foscus on the disadvantage

If that disadvantage is that 758 people have died on that airline in the past 15 years, then I think that outweighs all other possible advantages.


User currently offlineKL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1585 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3258 times:

Ryanair:

with your great comments, ill add you as a respected user.

drew



AMS-LAX-MNL
User currently offlineKalakaua From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1516 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3236 times:

I'm am a Filipino. I am very much certainly a proud one, at that. PAL is certainly my motherland carrier, but I will disown her if PAL doesn't get it's act straight. All my relatives, and my parents, fly PAL just because of it's non-stop service HNL-MNL. I live in Phoenix, now. But my family has flown on JAL, Korean, China to the Philippines, from HNL and EVA from LAX.

Overall, PAL's service was much inferior to the other airlines mentioned before previously. PAL is known to many Filipinos as "Philippines Always Late." And certainly it still is. My relatives who currently reside in Iloilo City, prefer flying on Air Philippines to MNL, just to avoid PAL's infinite streaks of delays, and what not.

I myself have flown on PAL many times as a child to visit friends and folks in the P.I. My mother flown on PAL to start a life anew in the U.S. PAL has a long tradition for many Filipinos. And so it was... But from my relatives, food is still horrible, the cabin still smells like urine, flight attendants are still snobbish, still discriminate, and still LATE!

So for one year in 2000, my family decided to fly on China Airlines. My family didn't know about it's "horrible" safety record and left it up to God and the people of CI to decide whether this aircraft is to land safely and on-time(of course). To our surprise, CI had great cabin service, friendly flight attendants, and great food. Had our oshibori (warm moist towelletes), headsets were free, given free slippers, etc... For a cheap ticket we paid for, CI has given a lot. The only down side was it's 2 connecting flights, in HND and TPE... But we had the same service as we did on our HNL-HND flight.

SAFETY is always striven for in an airline, no matter what. PAL had it's own accidents as well w/ casualties, sadly. And I really doubt that CI wants to crash their aircrafts intentionally as a form of advertisement (as how most of you are saying). Firestone Tires? Cabin service is a luxury nowadays, and CI gives it great but at cheap price for the consumers. PAL is very expensive, yet it's services are not worth mentioning. Most airlines want to be the best, and CI and PR are doing that, but in my opinion, PR is failing at trying. I'm pretty sure that most airlines will talk the talk and will do anything to walk the walk.



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25 Airbus Lover : Certainly most people know CI have great service. I can't wait to try them out and I know they hav great products. But I would not step on board one o
26 IWW : Macmac76 : I will fly the inangular flight from TPE-IAH on Jun. 22. Maybe I can take some photos for you. Actually, I already have some photos of CI A
27 Ryanair!!! : PAL is known to many Filipinos as "Philippines Always Late." Hahaha... I heard it from my Pinoy friends as "Plane Always Late". But from my relatives,
28 Iflypal : Hey Bunga 777 For what it is worth, here is a testimony from one who travels transpacific 9x a year and about 40x intra-Asia. Ive flown just about all
29 Hugo : Kalakaua, hang loose, man! Those were harsh, unfair and largely untrue comments about PR. I will even say biased...I think Iflypal, despite his handle
30 Kalakaua : Hang loose? Tell me to hang loose? Being originally from Hawai`i, hearing that saying all the time, only lazy people say that... And dude, don't get b
31 CXCPA : 1st Asiana (good service, beaty flight crews) 2nd China Airlines (the safety is improved a lot) forget about Philippine Airlines (don't want to give c
32 Macmac76 : Hi IWW, I'm glad you're flying on the inaugural flight! I heard it's already booked up? Guess what, my airfare for my November flight (IAH-SEA-TPE-MNL
33 KL808 : With regards to 5J I think they have an outstanding product too. Flights within the Philippines are great with 5J. They have a fun crew. Though they c
34 Trex8 : I don't see how anyone can blame CI for the 742F crash seeing it was only the first of several 742Fs due to Boeings poor design of the engine pylon! A
35 Post contains images Mdwalkman : Well... i am from PRC but don't want to bother bulls**t politics Go for Asiana because I think they have the most beautiful girls to serve you among t
36 Post contains links IWW : Macmac76: You can read the website which recorded my last time in Inaugular flights TPE-BNE-TPE. Click Here I took some photos in the Business Class.
37 Hugo : Kalakaua, if PR was so bad then why do your relatives keep flying them as you mentioned? Yes, there is room for improvement, but as the other members
38 Lf278 : China Airlines caused more than 600 deaths in the past ten years.. 1994 Japan A300 , 264 deaths 1998 Taipei A300 ,about 200 deaths 1999 Hong Kong MD-1
39 Post contains links and images N751PR : I never flown CI and OZ so my opinion of those airlines wouldn't be so concrete but I'm sure they are great airlines, disregarding the safety record o
40 Macmac76 : IWW, wow, those are some awesome pics! CI's cabin looks clean, bright, and spacious...Do you have pics of the economy cabin? I'll be looking forward t
41 IWW : Macamac76: I will take sime photos about the Economy Cabin in my next trip on A340-300 (I will go to BKK, HKG, BNE in the end of April. I think I can
42 Macmac76 : Hi IWW: Thank you in advance...will look forward to your pics and I hope you have a great inaugural TPE-SEA-IAH flight! Oh by the way, do you have to
43 Alexchao : I'm not sure, but for the EVA Air flight from TPE-SEA-EWR, passengers have to re-check their bags so the TSA can inspect the bags. As for clearing cus
44 Kl808 : usually you have to go through customs the first entry point in the United States. so I believe you will have to go through customs in SEA. drew
45 IWW : Hi All: I called China Airlines and make all things clear. a) From TPE-SEA-IAH, we need to go to the immegration counter at SEA and also need to check
46 Post contains links IWW : Macmac76: For the inaugular flight, there may still have seats. CI don't put all seats for the reservation becuase they need to keep some seats for sp
47 Macmac76 : hi IWW: thanks so much for the informative post! You're right, I believe that on the flight back, I have to clear customs/immigration in SEA. The poin
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