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NWA New Paint On DC-9's = Bad Idea  
User currently offlineAguilo From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 243 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4319 times:

The livery looks very nice (supposed to look like the plane is "wrapped" in silver, not just painted) but I saw a DC9 at MIA, newly painted and the rear (behind the exhaust) is already filthy, all black with soot that really stands out a lot on the bright silver.

Seems like someone didn't think the new paint scheme out very well as far as how it would wear on rear engine ac like the DC9 and CRJs

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User currently offlineMiles_mechanic From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4229 times:

I personally love the new paint job, I know that on the DC-9's that the rear does look very dirty after a while, but that is not a problem on the CRJ's as far as I have seen they look fairly clean to me. Of course they have a more efficient engine then the old DC-9. I am willing to overlook the dirty back end of the DC-9 to see a nicer livery then the dull drab old paint scheme.

User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 44
Reply 2, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4221 times:

I think the DC-9s look quite nice in the new livery, and I think the dirt and soot are so normal on DC-9s at this point that only those who think about it will notice.


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User currently offlineWorldperks From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4144 times:

I think the soot behind the thrust reversers has become a lot more noticeable since powerbacks have become commonplace. Other than painting all rear-engined aircraft soot-black, I don't know what else could be done.

Think of those soot smudges as tattoos that only the coolest airplanes have.  Big grin



User currently offlineNWAFA From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1893 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4056 times:

Everytime an A/C (DC9) goes through MEM, the tailcone area gets washed at the gate between flights. Personally I have seen more AA MD80s with black tails than I have NWA's


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User currently offlineAguilo From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 243 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4014 times:

See, but that is the problem. A new livery shouldn't cause the airline more work and expense.

Also, I'm sure there are more dirty AA MD80s out there, but they didn't just design a new livery for themselves did they?


User currently offlineJbmitt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 547 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3939 times:

I think its dumb to design a paint scheme around engine soot. The planes are going to have to get cleaned anyways. Regardless of whether the soot is there or not. The silver is nice, if it was black, it might cost more for the paint job.

jbmitt


User currently offlineTjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2444 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3710 times:

I agree - soot is cool! It's a badge of experience.


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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7521 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3598 times:

I think its dumb to design a paint scheme around engine soot.

Actually, I sometimes wonder if NE had that in mind when they modified their Yellowbird scheme in 1971; a year before the Delta merger.


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The picture on the left shows the updated scheme; although its a little tough to see at this angle.

The 727 NE photos below show the distinction in liveries a lot more clearer.


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Whenever my mother would see one of the soot-ridden Yellowbirds flying overhead, she would refer to them as 'Dirtybirds'.  Laugh out loud


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Worth noting: N975NE pictured above sadly crashed into the seawall at BOS while coming in for a landing in 1973 killing all but four people on board. At that time the plane, obviously, was wearing Delta widget liveries at the time. This crash was in an article on a back-issue of 'Airliners' several months ago.



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User currently offlineVC745d From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 214 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3532 times:

PHLBOS--BN did the same thing:


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Bowling shoe or silver, tail soot is just the nature of the DC9 beast:


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It's great to still have dirty DC9s--the soot is a disappearing signifier of the mechanical aspect of aviation, like nighttime exhaust flames on pistons and dense streams of smoke from CV880s and water-wagon 707s and DC8s.

As for NW liveries--sooty or not, the new one "outshines" the heavy, dated red look in every way.


User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3484 times:

The DC-9s are a great aircraft!  Smile


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User currently offlineBigphilnyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4077 posts, RR: 54
Reply 11, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3371 times:

Paint them fucshia if you want, the DC9 is still one of the most masculine planes around. Thank God for NW for keeping them around still.


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User currently offlineHammer From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 689 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3184 times:

Are you sure that EVERYTIME a DC-9 is on the ground in MEM it gets a tailwash?? I know here in DTW NWA does at least 10-12 planes a week, but I have never seen them doing it in MEM when it is a turn flight and going back out...

User currently offlineThrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2690 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3140 times:

The new colors on NWA's DC-9s would make you think they were brand new if not for the dirt on the back. I think they look great, much better than the Bowling Shoe.


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User currently offlineCitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2438 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3093 times:

In Reply #9 above, I noticed that one BN 727 had a white rudder with the tailcone painted blue like the rest of the fuselage, while the gold 727 had a silver rudder with silver extended down to the tailcone in front of the #2 exhaust.
I had never noticed that difference in BN paint schemes before.



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User currently offlineMD11LuxuryLinr From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1385 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3056 times:

.."Think of those soot smudges as tattoos that only the coolest airplanes have. "...

Nicely put Worldperks. DC9s with dirty butts are always a treat to see. It reminds me of the great old times when jets were LOUD and DIRTY!

I'm sure that the 'soot factor' wasn't considered (nor should it have been) when they designed their new c/s. Soot being on the fuselage doesn't cost them money, it's just unpleasant for 'clean freaks' to look at.

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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2958 times:

CRJ-100/200s do have some soot build up by the APU exhaust.

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User currently offlineBoingGoingGone From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2896 times:

I'm not so sure I like the new NWA paint. I saw a couple of 757's today that looked like crap. Absolutely filthy.

User currently offlineFAVRE From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 595 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2900 times:

Hammer your right--MEMPHIS no longer does tail cone washes--


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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39887 posts, RR: 74
Reply 19, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2886 times:

A little dirt wont hurt. Big grin


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User currently offlineFlyingbronco05 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3840 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2849 times:

I saw a NW DC-9 in new colors for the first time on Saturday at KAZO. It did it's own push back too.

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User currently offlineRaggi From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 1001 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2738 times:

I saw one at GSP today in the new livery, it looked awful. gimme the old back ASAP.

raggi



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User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4200 posts, RR: 37
Reply 22, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2678 times:

The right engine gets coughed on by the APU...top of it is always dark. Dirty engine output=dirty tails.

The CRJ's youll always see clean... Pinnacle is very finicky about having spotless aircraft.



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User currently offlineM404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2226 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2607 times:
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Thats one thing you can say about the scheme on AirTrans aircraft. That shade of beige/off white always looks dirty so it's harder to tell. Good planning.........?


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