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What Exactly Is A Long Haul Flight?  
User currently offlineHugojimenez From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (12 years 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6666 times:

Reading at some entries in the forum, I want to know when is a flight consider "long haul"?

We now that they small, medium and long range aircrafts, but if we talked, for example, about a flight from Panama to Buenos Aires, nonstop, is that a medium or long haul flight?

I remember when Pan Am did it with B707, but a 737-800?

I don't have anything against the B737, I really love them, but is it appropiate in general terms for flights of six or more hours?

May I have your opinion?



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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 8189 posts, RR: 42
Reply 1, posted (12 years 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6644 times:

I am sure you will get totally different answers from everybody and, who knows, maybe there will be some "no, you are completely crazy" answers. My two cents are: I read some months ago in another thread here that to many airlines and passengers, any flight that exceeds 6 hours is a long haul flight.

I have seen a lot of posts by people who claim that they would never fly EZE-PTY, for example, with CM due to the fact that a narrowbody is used (or a trans-Atlantic on board a 752). I guess they are right generally, but if you get a bulkhead or emergency exit row seat, less than 50% load factor, extraordinarily nice f.a.'s, etc., then maybe the issue of narrowbody vs. widebody becomes less relevant.

The longest I have been airborne inside a narrowbody is less than 5 hours and I am sure I can handle one more hour. But more... I dunno.

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User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6210 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (12 years 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6631 times:

I agree with the 6 hour figure. I wouldn't quite consider a U.S. transcon a "long haul", but certainly a longer "medium haul". Any further than that, however, I'd consider a long haul.

As far as "short haul", probably less than 2 hours.

As far as "ultra long haul", probably > 12-13 hours.

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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 9217 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (12 years 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6571 times:

When your bum gets numb you can call it a long haul.

User currently offlineAmhilde From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 643 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (12 years 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6561 times:

Yes but with seats these days that takes about 30 seconds. I figure its to the point where you will either throttle the annoying kids/armrest hog/chatty kathy seatmate or you crawl to the back lav and weep into the stainless steel basin and wonder why you subject yourself to such torture.

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User currently offlineB747Skipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6498 times:

Friends -
There is certainly no specific definition as to what is short haul, medium haul or long haul.
When I started flying with airlines, a 737 or DC9 were short haul aircraft, the 727 or 880 were medium haul, and the 707 or DC8 were long haul. I would venture to say that in my little head, up to 2 hours was short haul, medium haul would be 2 to 6 hours, and long haul beyond 6 hours...
Then each of these airplanes existed in various versions, some with reduced range (707-100 or 720s) while the 707-320 were long range. In practice, the comfort in a 720 was the same as in a 707-320... And nowadays, 737 are definitely becoming mediun range airplanes...
Narrow body or wide-body preference is another point. I often have to ride as a passenger, I personally hate the wide-body "mass of bodies" which is present for boarding, in flight, and waiting for baggage. A nice 5-seat accross MD-80 is for me much comfortable than a Y-class 747 rear cabin, when only 120 people will rush for collecting baggage rather than 400.
Maybe it is because I am a pilot, for me, my only interest in riding as a passenger is, if I can sleep, sip my 2 glasses of wine, then close my eyes without being disturbed, until landing. I may surprise you, but my interest in airplanes when a passenger is at the lowest level, compared to just everyone that is A.Net member.
I am among those who would be unable to tell what specific type of aircraft I was in on my last flight with Varig, Delta, or Iberia... I slept good is all I can recall. And when I ride as passenger on my airline, I talk to the pilots then the flight attendants, because I know them... the only difference.
Happy contrails  Smile
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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19606 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (12 years 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6466 times:

Surely it is the only time in the air - and not the aircraft - which differenciates between long, medium and short haul? For instance, would a 74F operating between ANC and MIA - a flight of 7-8+ hours - be a long-haul a flight, even though both cities are in one country? Would LHR-JFK - between 5 and 6 and between two countries - be a long-haul? It all depends just on the length of the flight - not the aircraft type or whether you land in one country or two. I agree with the above about 2 or less hours being short-haul, 2-6 being medium-haul, and 6+ hours being long-haul.

[Edited 2004-04-06 11:54:08]

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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19606 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (12 years 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6455 times:

Expect to see your RR to decrease, Skip - oh, looks like it already has.  Laugh out loud Only joking.

"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineFLYSSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7493 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (12 years 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6382 times:

The size of the aircraft used on this or that route doesn't mean it long-haul or short-haul !

For a lot of people, long-haul = big planes... That's completely wrong.

The distance between two destinations makes a flight medium or long-haul and not the flight time (would you consider CDG-JFK a medium-haul flight just because Concorde could fly it in 3h30 ? )

I think we can consider a long-haul flight when exceeding 1700 nm (or 3200km or 2000 mi approx.)

User currently offlineKEno From Malaysia, joined Feb 2004, 1842 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (12 years 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6339 times:

I guess different airlines have different definitions of long haul. I came across few times that flights between Europe and Eastern USA are not long haul - I have no idea how they come up with this  Confused

User currently offlineCrazyboi From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (12 years 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6286 times:

For the airlines, it's probably a matter of customer perception. They are compelled to supply "long haul" services (suitable food, cabin comfort, and such) when the passengers deem it appropriate to the route.

In this sense, I think that "long haul" is really a psychological conception as much as it is a physiological or temporal one.

In terms of airline operation, they want to provide the minimal services to passengers for economic benefit. Therefore, they can service a route (say, LHR-JFK) as medium-haul, with medium services and a lower fare base. Or, they can serve the same route with more premium long-haul passenger amenities. Of course, with longer flights, passengers will demand more long-haul services and, thus, necessitate what we know of as "long-haul" operations.

Blah, blah, blah... in other words, there are a lot of contributing factors and it's relatively subjective from the airline position.

This is the time. And this is the record of the time.
User currently offlineFLYSSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7493 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (12 years 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6105 times:

KEno, Crazyboi,

I just read again my post and yours and realize that you are actually very right ! I would give you some "strange" examples concerning AF :

CDG-BEY (1724 NM) or CDG-CAI (1735 nm) are considered "long-haul". They are served by B777 or A340 or B744 and Long-haul Crews, with a full "long-haul" service on board.

CDG-TLV (1775 nm) is considered a "medium-haul" flight, operated with an A320 in a "Europe network" configuration (same seats in Y and C with the "no midldle seat" concept in C) and served by a "medium-haul" crew with medium-haul on board service ( + Video ).

CDG-DAM (1778 nm) & CDG-AMM (1828 nm) are considered Long-haul destinations, served by Long-haul crews but operated by an A320 in a "Europe Network" configuration but with a long-haul inflight service...


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11198 posts, RR: 57
Reply 12, posted (12 years 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6033 times:

Thanks for that info FLYSSC. That's pretty interesting....


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