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User currently offlineAircadet From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3152 times:

Looking through flight schedules i noticed that a lot of airlines use smallish aircraft for very long flights.Apart from comfort is it completly safe to fly over such a long strech of water with 2 engines?
I took the following examples of flights and equipment.

MAD MIA AA/IB 767-300 Duration 9:30
EZE MAD AR 767-300 Duration12:00
YYZ LHR AC 767-300 Duration 7:00

Tks

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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19259 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3116 times:

Don't forget that the 767-300 has a long range (up to 5875nm, depending on the specific type) and is ETOPs-certified so that it can operate the longer flights. Accordingly, I very much doubt there's a problem with physically operating these flights. The level of comfort, however, might be a consideration.


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User currently offlineAms From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1692 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3109 times:

There is the LH business class service on LH between DUS-NYC on a 737ER
Also Royal Air Nepal flies a 757 between FRA-Katmandu (Nepal)


Regards,
AMS



User currently offlineBoeing nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3058 times:

The 767-300 isn't exactly a small aircraft either.

User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17185 posts, RR: 66
Reply 4, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3038 times:

He said "smallish", not small  Big grin

Jokes aside, the 763 is pretty big and it's been flying across the pond for two decades now without problems. Next time you see a pilot, ask him or her how many times an engine has quit during their career. Even with retirement age Captains, the answer will most probably be somewhere between 0 and 3. We're talking thousands of flights here. And then there is the fact that these Captains are still there talking to you.

Fly safe. Enjoy the ride.



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User currently offlineLifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1940 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3018 times:

Well,

dunno if it counts, but I've once had the honour to ride along on a ferry flight of a TAM Fokker 100 from Amsterdam to Sao Paulo... Big grin

Cheers!

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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17185 posts, RR: 66
Reply 6, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2984 times:

LifelinerOne. Extra tanks onboard?

737s and MD80s fly routinely to Hawaii (albeit sans passengers) and they never seem to have problems.



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User currently offlineFLYSSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7428 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2898 times:

The B767-300 for long-haul is not what I would call a "small aicraft".
There is quite a few examples of real "small aircraft" for long-haul :

in the mid 90's Air Liberté used the MD83 for charter flights : ORY-CMB with intermediate refueling stop at ISTand DXB, one single cramped Y class, NO IFE of any kind...

Star Airlines using an A320 on CDG-DKR.

Air France using a A319LR on CDG-DOH or CDG-KWI

LuftHansa (Privat'air) using A319LR or B737NG on DUS/MUC-EWR or MUC-ORD

BA using an A320 on LHR-BAK or LHR-TAS

French President J.CHIRAC using a "République Française" A319CJ for a visit in Japan


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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2891 times:

1. CO's tranatlantic 757 services come to mind: BHX, LIS, SNN, EDI and OSL are flown from EWR with a 757.

2. 2 and 3 hour segment being flown by regional jets. For example, MSP-PHX, DFW-NAS, LAX-YVR.

3. European charter carriers regularly use 757s for transatlantic services to Florida and the Caribbean.


User currently offlineTravelagent From Germany, joined Mar 2004, 89 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2739 times:

As FLYSSC mentioned before: Privatair (on behalf of Lufthansa) operates flights with Airbus A319ER from DUS to EWR and ORD and with Boeing 737BBJ from MUC to EWR. As far as DUS is concerned these flights are very successful and exceeded all expectations. The flights are strictly Business and were were told by our customers that they felt like flying in a corporate jet with 1A-service!


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User currently offlineCitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2469 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2694 times:

I don't consider a 767-300 a smallish aircraft, and I don't consider a 7:00 hour flight a very long flight.
Especially with the majority of transatlantic traffic flown by twin engined aircraft of a similar size. Also many non-stop flights today have flying times of 14 and 15 hours.



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User currently offlineElcapi1980 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2652 times:

Hi guys...
well ... with respect with the topic I want to add the flight from Miami to Seattle
which is about 2722 NM and 6.35 hours flight in a 737-900 !!!!!!




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User currently offlineVadheim From Norway, joined Jul 2000, 625 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2602 times:

Braathens (BU) have a regular scheduled service from Oslo - Las Palmas which is a 5h 30min nonstop flight  Smile They fly B737-700 aircraft!


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User currently offlineBofredrik From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2573 times:

SAS Dash - Q400 Stockholm-Geneva 3 h 10 m.
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Earlier:
Braathens B737-200 Stockholm-Las Palmas
Sterling B727-200 Stockholm-Gander-Miami
Sterling B727-200 Stockholm-Sharjah-Colombo
Conair A320 Stockholm-Reykjavik-Bangor-Fl Lauderdale


User currently offlineYV136C From Venezuela, joined Mar 2003, 198 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2529 times:


Avior Airlines (Venezuela) has an EMB-120 (Brasilia) doing PMV-BOG 1x a week....that could take up to 4 hours! Yikes!

Luis
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User currently offlineB-787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 273 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2384 times:

If you want a long flight on a small plane try PTY-LAX/EZE on a 73G.


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User currently offlineUa777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2345 times:

I don't think that a 763 is that bad of an a/c to fly. I just flew San Juan-LAX and it was 7.5 hrs. It passed by and the comfort level was satisfactory, not too bad at all.



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User currently offlineVSGirl From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2341 times:

When I was a kid I flew with Britannia Airways Boeing 737 series 200 from London Gatwick to Cairo. Cant remember how long the flight was, but I remember is being half full and no IFE (we are talking the 80's here).

Kimberly.


User currently offlineDutchflyer From Netherlands, joined Feb 2004, 169 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2313 times:

I once took my Cessna 172 during a training flight all the way from EHLE to Urk, moved on to Kampen, Zwolle, Harderwijk and finally made the roundtrip back to EHLE.

I bet nobody can beat that with a small aircraft  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

[Edited 2004-04-06 21:17:22]

User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8468 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2304 times:
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SAA flies a 738 JNB-MRU which is 4 hours mostly over water in a little twin, makes you miss a 744!


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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 20, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2255 times:

LONGEST 737 FLIGHT

Astraeus flights on the London/Gatwick to Malabo in Equatorial Guinea route is the world's longest regular sector undertaken by a conventional B737, covering 3,337 nautical miles (6,183km) in 7hrs 15 mins flying time. Astraeus operates this weekly flight carrying energy industry personnnel in support of Equatorial Guinea's growing oil industry.

They use a B737-700


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User currently offlineBenjamin From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 444 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2227 times:

Apart from comfort is it completely safe to fly over such a long strech of water with 2 engines

Uhhhh, one of the longest flights in the world, EWR-HKG, is run with a 777 which only has two engines.


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2078 times:

I know it's safe but I still would rather fly a 747 or MD-11 over water. Though I would fly the 777. I would never fly a 757 or 767 if I can help it.

User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17185 posts, RR: 66
Reply 23, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1956 times:

As long as the thing is certified for the operation, I feel just as safe with two engines as four.

Just ask the pilots. They do this all the time and even one engine failure is extremely rare. An event that takes out two engines on a twin will almost certainly take out four engines on a quad, so the extra safety margin is rather illusory.



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