Aircadet From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2390 times:
Looking through flight schedules i noticed that a lot of airlines use smallish aircraft for very long flights.Apart from comfort is it completly safe to fly over such a long strech of water with 2 engines?
I took the following examples of flights and equipment.
MAD MIA AA/IB 767-300 Duration 9:30
EZE MAD AR 767-300 Duration12:00
YYZ LHR AC 767-300 Duration 7:00
Pe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 18847 posts, RR: 54 Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2354 times:
Don't forget that the 767-300 has a long range (up to 5875nm, depending on the specific type) and is ETOPs-certified so that it can operate the longer flights. Accordingly, I very much doubt there's a problem with physically operating these flights. The level of comfort, however, might be a consideration.
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Ams From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1689 posts, RR: 12 Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2347 times:
There is the LH business class service on LH between DUS-NYC on a 737ER
Also Royal Air Nepal flies a 757 between FRA-Katmandu (Nepal)
Starlionblue From Hong Kong, joined Feb 2004, 15872 posts, RR: 66 Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2276 times:
He said "smallish", not small
Jokes aside, the 763 is pretty big and it's been flying across the pond for two decades now without problems. Next time you see a pilot, ask him or her how many times an engine has quit during their career. Even with retirement age Captains, the answer will most probably be somewhere between 0 and 3. We're talking thousands of flights here. And then there is the fact that these Captains are still there talking to you.
Fly safe. Enjoy the ride.
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FLYSSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7313 posts, RR: 61 Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2136 times:
The B767-300 for long-haul is not what I would call a "small aicraft".
There is quite a few examples of real "small aircraft" for long-haul :
in the mid 90's Air Liberté used the MD83 for charter flights : ORY-CMB with intermediate refueling stop at ISTand DXB, one single cramped Y class, NO IFE of any kind...
Star Airlines using an A320 on CDG-DKR.
Air France using a A319LR on CDG-DOH or CDG-KWI
LuftHansa (Privat'air) using A319LR or B737NG on DUS/MUC-EWR or MUC-ORD
BA using an A320 on LHR-BAK or LHR-TAS
French President J.CHIRAC using a "République Française" A319CJ for a visit in Japan
Travelagent From Germany, joined Mar 2004, 89 posts, RR: 2 Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1977 times:
As FLYSSC mentioned before: Privatair (on behalf of Lufthansa) operates flights with Airbus A319ER from DUS to EWR and ORD and with Boeing 737BBJ from MUC to EWR. As far as DUS is concerned these flights are very successful and exceeded all expectations. The flights are strictly Business and were were told by our customers that they felt like flying in a corporate jet with 1A-service!
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CitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2235 posts, RR: 3 Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1932 times:
I don't consider a 767-300 a smallish aircraft, and I don't consider a 7:00 hour flight a very long flight.
Especially with the majority of transatlantic traffic flown by twin engined aircraft of a similar size. Also many non-stop flights today have flying times of 14 and 15 hours.
Elcapi1980 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 220 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1890 times:
Hi guys...
well ... with respect with the topic I want to add the flight from Miami to Seattle
which is about 2722 NM and 6.35 hours flight in a 737-900 !!!!!!
B-787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 272 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1622 times:
If you want a long flight on a small plane try PTY-LAX/EZE on a 73G.
Ua777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 13 Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1583 times:
I don't think that a 763 is that bad of an a/c to fly. I just flew San Juan-LAX and it was 7.5 hrs. It passed by and the comfort level was satisfactory, not too bad at all.
VSGirl From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1579 times:
When I was a kid I flew with Britannia Airways Boeing 737 series 200 from London Gatwick to Cairo. Cant remember how long the flight was, but I remember is being half full and no IFE (we are talking the 80's here).
Dutchflyer From Netherlands, joined Feb 2004, 169 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1551 times:
I once took my Cessna 172 during a training flight all the way from EHLE to Urk, moved on to Kampen, Zwolle, Harderwijk and finally made the roundtrip back to EHLE.
Horus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 62 Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1493 times:
LONGEST 737 FLIGHT
Astraeus flights on the London/Gatwick to Malabo in Equatorial Guinea route is the world's longest regular sector undertaken by a conventional B737, covering 3,337 nautical miles (6,183km) in 7hrs 15 mins flying time. Astraeus operates this weekly flight carrying energy industry personnnel in support of Equatorial Guinea's growing oil industry.
Benjamin From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 444 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1465 times:
Apart from comfort is it completely safe to fly over such a long strech of water with 2 engines
Uhhhh, one of the longest flights in the world, EWR-HKG, is run with a 777 which only has two engines.
Starlionblue From Hong Kong, joined Feb 2004, 15872 posts, RR: 66 Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1194 times:
As long as the thing is certified for the operation, I feel just as safe with two engines as four.
Just ask the pilots. They do this all the time and even one engine failure is extremely rare. An event that takes out two engines on a twin will almost certainly take out four engines on a quad, so the extra safety margin is rather illusory.
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