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Why Does US Airways Have So Many Gates @ Ksyr?  
User currently offlineB727 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 521 posts, RR: 2
Posted (10 years 3 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4971 times:

As the topic states, Why do they have so many gates here @ SYR? For the amount of flights that go thru our airport, all of the airlines would fit into Terminal A. This would give each airline about 2 gates with the exception on jetBlue and Northwest who already operate with one gate now. The airport could then just operate/maintain the A terminal. Does USAirways have a contract where these gates are leased? Any info is appreciated.


Thanks,
B727
Glenn

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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4952 times:

They used to have a hub there-actually, it was a Piedmont hub before US absorbed Piedmont. It could be they still own a lot of the gates there from the days when it was a hub for them.

User currently offlineAtcboy73 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1100 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4810 times:

If memory serves those gates came to Piedmont from a little airline called Empire. I believe they operated F28s and something else.

It seems like a waste if US doesn't use them and doesn't need them. A money loosing company like US should be dropping them to reduce costs. I bet they have them on some kind of long term lease or maybe them even own them.


User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3286 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4780 times:

Another example of poor planning at US. They rejected the gate leases at PIT while under CH 11. Why not SYR? Sounds like that would have been the easiest way to reduce expenses...

User currently offlineSprxflyswa From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 597 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4778 times:

Empire flew the F-28s as well as Swearingen Metroliners in Upstate NY as well as other New England and Great Lakes areas.



User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4722 times:

It seems like gate squatting is USAirways' specialty. At almost every airport I've been to that USAirways serves, it seems like they have a few gates that are never used and some that are used rarely.

User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2489 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4672 times:

Don't they have quite a few gates at MCO and TPA?

User currently offlineSebwhite From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4667 times:

They also have huge numbers of gates in other upstate cities like ROC and BUF.

User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3286 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4651 times:

Why didn't they reject these leases during bankruptcy? They haven't been able to keep competition out of any of the cities mentioned here, except PIT. And they rejected those leases! Go figure...

User currently offlineZrb2 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 895 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4582 times:

They also have huge numbers of gates in other upstate cities like ROC and BUF.

I think they only have 5 gates at BUF which really isn't that many (and they all get used alot). Back in the heyday at BUF, US seemed to own the whole West Terminal.


User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2489 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4529 times:

Does anyone know how many they have at MCO?
thanks


User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3506 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4509 times:

I didn't count them but I noticed on Friday at MCO that there was a bunch of US Airways gates - most of them empty all the time.

Same here in BUF - whole "left" part of the terminal plus one gate on the "right" side. But... like it or not they have the biggest number of flights out of BUF. However if JetBlue can fly 7 dailies to JFK with one gate why US would need 5 or 6?

Daniel


User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4487 posts, RR: 33
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4401 times:

US Airways has eight gates at ROC, and could probably function well there on about five or six. The airline still has lots of regional-jet and DeHavilland dailies at ROC and BUF to various Northeast business centers. Thus, US still needs to park 2-3 mainline and 3-4 regional a/c at once.

JetBlue, by contrast, operates to one destination, JFK, from ROC, SYR, and BUF. So they do fine with just one gate. However, once the EMB 190's come online, B6 has said they want to run nonstops from Upstate NY to Florida. (Probably FLL which is not served nonstop from UNY right now.) Also, JetBlue has also said they want to substitute 190's for A320's in the Upstate markets to offer greater frequencies for business travelers.

That means probably 11 or 12 daily 190's at BUF, 8 or 9 at ROC, and 6 or 7 at SYR. At SYR one gate will probably still be enough, but at BUF and ROC they'll probably want another gate.

The Rochester paper reports that our airport manager is pressing for 190 flights to BOS, an underserved market. But an AirTran c/s rep at BWI told me a couple of weeks ago that the airline will likely start running ROC and BUF nonstops to Boston ( FL doesn't have to wait til 2005 for 717's  Smile )this year. AirTran already has two gates at ROC which would be sufficient to go from the current 7 dailies to probably 9. At BUF, FL would go from 4 to 6 in this scenario, which probably could be done at the existing gate.

Jim


User currently offlineKITH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 377 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4373 times:

SYR Was a US stronghold and like many communities in upstate, US (or its express carriers) was and may still be the dominant carrier. Ex. ITH (ONLY US EX) ELM-BGM (Most flights US) and in SYR it used to be almost an entire concourse for US. DL has 3 if I'm not mistaken at SYR. With the 170's coming in I'm not sure the load factors are high enough in SYR to keep mainline, despite the 170's being "mainline" jets.

If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck it is probably a duck.
-Matt in KITH


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