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Boeing To Announce 7E7 Engines  
User currently offlineAerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4681 posts, RR: 47
Posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6760 times:

at 1700 EDT Apr. 6, 2004.... this according to Yahoo.


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User currently offlineNDSchu777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 419 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6657 times:

Sounds exciting! I sure hope Boeing names GE as one of the engine suppliers, especially since my best full-time job lead is with GEAE right now.

~Nick


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6615 times:

Good stuff, can't wait to hear it...

...I'm betting fiddy on GE and RR  Big grin


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6593 times:

And then I bet fifty that PW announces an all new set of engines for the A330 and A340NG.  Nuts

N


User currently offlineAA777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2544 posts, RR: 28
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6574 times:
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Ill take GE and Rolls Royce, Hopefully Rolls!! for the 7E7

-AA777


User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2996 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6496 times:

I'll go out on a limb and guess all 3: GE, RR, P&W. Completely swappable, too. As long as the engine manufacturers eat the development cost, what have they got to lose?  Smile


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User currently offlineLmp737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6445 times:

And the winners are............


GE and RR.


User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2996 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6439 times:

Doh. Bummer for P&W  Sad


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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6390 times:

Isn't Boeing really depending on the performance on these engines to reach their aim, that the jet will be 20% cheaper to operate than the A332?

Why hasn't P&W been included?



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6368 times:

And the winners are............


GE and RR.


From where did you get this information? I can't verify it with any source of information.

N


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6345 times:

Why hasn't P&W been included?

Because in case you havent noticed, PW's produced some REALLLLY shitty commercial engines as of late.

The most glaring recent examples being the PW4098 and the still-in-production PW6000.


User currently offlineFutterman From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1301 posts, RR: 44
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6323 times:

I think you answered your own question, Horus...

Apparently PW wasn't included because they couldn't promise an engine suitable for the 7E7. Unless I'm missing something...



What the FUTT?
User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6316 times:

Now, and just now, its on the Boeing site.

N


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6300 times:

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2004/q2/nr_040406g.html

Everett, Wash., April 6, 2004 -- Boeing [NYSE:BA] has selected two engine types, the General Electric GENX and Rolls-Royce Trent 1000, for its all-new Boeing 7E7 Dreamliner, an airplane that will provide the world's airlines with exceptional efficiency and environmental performance.

Boeing's decision follows months of collaboration with the leading manufacturers of large commercial airplane engines.

"The General Electric and Rolls-Royce engines will enable the 7E7 to fly higher, faster, farther, cleaner, quieter and more efficiently than comparable airplanes," said 7E7 Senior Vice President Mike Bair. "Having an engine choice is a key consideration for our customers. We're now offering two excellent options for the 7E7."

Both engine types will be capable of providing between 55,000 and 70,000 lbs. of thrust, which will allow the three planned 7E7 models to use the same basic engines.

The 7E7 will reduce fuel use -- and associated emissions -- by 20 percent over today's comparably sized airplanes. The engines are key contributors to the airplane's dramatic efficiency improvements. The engines will also help the 7E7 be significantly quieter than today's airplanes and meet new industry requirements.

"All three engine manufacturers presented exceptional proposals," Bair said. "We reached this major milestone well ahead of our original schedule due to the close collaboration on requirements, capabilities and technologies. While it was a challenging decision, the speed with which we made it is representative of the customer interest and the overall momentum on the 7E7 program."

For the first time in commercial jet history, both engine types will use the same standard interface with the airplane, allowing any 7E7 twinjet to be fitted with either engine at any point in time. Engine interchangeability makes the 7E7 a flexible asset that can easily be moved among carriers, an attractive feature for financiers, leasing companies and airlines. Other 7E7 innovations include the elimination of traditional bleed air systems in favor of an efficient, more-electric architecture.

General Electric's new engine, called the GENX (GE Next Generation), is derived from the ultra-high-thrust GE90 engine, which has a proven track record on twin-engine aircraft. The GENX technologies include composite fan blades, the highest pressure-ratio compressor in aviation, and a unique single-annular combustor (where compressed air and fuel are mixed) to achieve dramatically lower emissions. The GENX will have its first full-engine test in 2006. The engine is being designed and tested at GE Transportation's world headquarters in Evendale, Ohio. Final assembly will occur in Durham, N.C.

"Our engine for the 7E7 represents the culmination of new technologies for which GE has made considerable investments over many years," said David Calhoun, president and CEO of GE Transportation. "Needless to say, this is one of the biggest days in the history of our jet engine business."

Rolls-Royce will produce a new variant of its successful, high-thrust Trent engine series to power the 7E7, the Trent 1000. Designed to deliver optimum performance with minimum development risk, it will be the fifth member of the Trent family to enter service, once again featuring the three-shaft design layout unique to Rolls-Royce. The engine will be the most efficient and environmentally advanced Trent ever built.

Mike Terrett, president of Civil Aerospace for Rolls-Royce, said, "This is a special day in the long and rewarding relationship between our companies. Now, once again, our focus is on bringing a new generation of Trent successfully to market."

Boeing is continuing to receive strong customer support for the 7E7 and has submitted a number of firm contract proposals to airlines. The company expects to launch the new airplane this year.

Additional Information:

7E7
The 7E7 is a family of three airplanes, all of which will use the same engine type. The baseline version will carry 217 passengers in three-classes of seating with a range of up to 8,500 nautical miles (15,700 kilometers). The shorter-range 7E7 will carry 289 passengers in two-class seating on ranges up to 3,500 nautical miles (6,500 kilometers). The stretch version of the 7E7 will carry 257 passengers in three classes with a range of 8,300 nautical miles (15,400 kilometers).

It is being designed to provide customers with a better flying experience including and improved cabin environment with more room and more conveniences.

General Electric
GE Transportation, a business unit of General Electric Company, is the world's leading manufacturer of jet engines for civil and military aircraft, including engines produced by CFM International, a 50/50 joint company of Snecma Moteurs and GE. GE also manufactures gas turbines, derived from its highly successful jet engine programs, for marine and industrial applications. In addition, GE Aircraft Engines provides comprehensive maintenance support, through its GE Engine Services operation, for GE and non-GE jet engines in service throughout the world.

Rolls-Royce
Rolls-Royce plc operates in four global markets - civil aerospace, defense aerospace, marine and energy. It is investing in technology and capability that can be exploited in each of these sectors to create a competitive range of products. The company has made rapid and substantial gains in market share over recent years and has a total of 54,000 gas turbines in service. Its customer base includes 500 airlines and 4,000 corporate and utility aircraft and helicopter operators, 160 armed forces and more than 2,000 marine customers, including 50 navies. Energy customers span 120 countries. Income from aftermarket services has increased by 60 percent in the past five years and currently accounts for half the group's revenues.



User currently offlineAerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4681 posts, RR: 47
Reply 14, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6267 times:

The GE choice is called the GENX, to make it's first test runs in 2006.

The RR engine will be called the Trent 1000, does anybody have an idea on when this engine will be on the test stand?



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User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4747 posts, RR: 45
Reply 15, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6230 times:

I'm glad to see GE in the running, but this must suck for P&W. The company has had a long and successful history in partnering with Boeing on providing engines for their aircraft.

-G



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6200 times:

And then I bet fifty that PW announces an all new set of engines for the A330 and A340NG.

So Piggy, still up on that bet?  Laugh out loud


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 17, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6163 times:

Lets wait and see for at least a day, shall we?

N


User currently offlineBoingGoingGone From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6004 times:

Let the G vs. R wars begin!!!

User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 968 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5938 times:

From the 7th paragraph-

Other 7E7 innovations include the elimination of traditional bleed air systems in favor of an efficient, more-electric architecture.

I suspect that the 7E7 will bleedless but not bleedfree, but like you said, it is way to early to tell.

I'm a little disapointed that PW was not selected, they must get their act together if they are to remain in the civil aviation market. This is the first Boeing airliner that Pratt has not powered.

What does this mean for Pratt long-term?

Regards,
DFW


User currently offlineManzoori From UK - England, joined Sep 2002, 1516 posts, RR: 34
Reply 20, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5919 times:

Hurrah for us!  Big thumbs up

Let the G vs. R wars begin!!!

er... why?

Rez
 Big thumbs up



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User currently offlineKalakaua From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1516 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5902 times:

Swappable engines, too! Gotta love that idea.


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User currently offlineBrons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3010 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5571 times:

East Hartford, Conn. -- Pratt & Whitney President Louis R. Chenevert
today sent the following letter to all employees regarding Boeing's
engine selection for the 7E7 aircraft.

"Today, we were informed by the Boeing Company that Pratt & Whitney's
PW-EXX engine was not selected to power the 7E7 Dreamliner. While we
are disappointed, we should thank the entire PW-EXX team for their
outstanding efforts in this hard-fought competition. The PW-EXX was
the only all-new engine for the 7E7 and the team supported it with an
extremely competitive and creative business proposal. We should be
proud of everyone who worked on the PW-EXX team and applaud their
passion and commitment.

Pratt & Whitney engines power a number of Boeing aircraft, and we
will continue to strengthen our relationship with the Boeing Company
on these programs. We will also use the advanced technologies we
developed for the PW- EXX engine to pursue other opportunities in the
commercial engine market.

Please keep in mind that Pratt & Whitney has other strengths in the
commercial engine business. The V2500, from International Aero
Engines, won more than $2.5 billion in new business in 2003 and IAE
just received an order to power up to 95 new aircraft for Spirit
Airlines. Pratt & Whitney has two new engines in development, the
PW6000 for single aisle aircraft and, with GE as a partner, the
GP7000 for wide body aircraft. These three programs will be
generating revenues for decades.

Pratt & Whitney also has a commanding presence in military engines
with the F117 engine for the C-17 Globemaster III transport, the F119
engine for the F/A-22 Raptor and the F135 engine for the F-35 Joint
Strike Fighter. We also won a landmark order to power Boeing's new
767 tanker with our PW4062 engines.

Pratt & Whitney Canada is currently developing engines for several
new aircraft. Their PW600 family, which powers the Cessna Citation
Mustang and the Eclipse 500, has the potential to revolutionize air
travel. Space Propulsion, Power Systems and Specialty Materials &
Services give us opportunities outside our traditional aircraft
engine business.

There are tremendous growth opportunities in aftermarket services
across the company. Pratt & Whitney's aftermarket revenues have
increased by nearly 50 percent over the last decade. Commercial
Engines has already won significant fleet management programs from
United Airlines, Shanghai Airlines and Pakistan International
Airlines so far this year. And we have an opportunity to double our
aftermarket revenues across the company over the next five years.

Pratt & Whitney is a great company, with gifted people who are truly
passionate about the business. We will continue to pursue our growth
strategy and our quest for perfect quality. I am confident we will
prosper in the long run."

Louis R. Chenevert
President



Firings, if well done, are good for employee morale.
User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4478 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5519 times:

Very very interesting. I fully expected P&W to be a definite engine supplier here. Maybe they will be selected for te 747 Advanced.

User currently offlineS.p.a.s. From Liechtenstein, joined Mar 2001, 966 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5510 times:

What does this mean for Pratt long-term?

That they will continue with the PW-Exx development, offering it to Airbus?

Ok, this is a wild speculation ideed...

Cheers

RS



"ad astra per aspera"
25 Ua777222 : It's a bummer that P&W powerplants were not included. But another ? Is, only 70,000lbs of thrust? I thought that not only was it supposed to be effici
26 WingnutMN : I guess this means NW won't be purchasing the 7E7! No Pratt, No Plane!!! I guess that means that NW will really be relying on Airbus for their future
27 Phollingsworth : It's a bummer that P&W powerplants were not included. But another ? Is, only 70,000lbs of thrust? I thought that not only was it supposed to be effici
28 Aloha717200 : I guess that means that NW will really be relying on Airbus for their future Widebody fleet. Well, we all knew and expected that anyway. Northwest wil
29 RayChuang : I'm not surprised that General Electric and Rolls-Royce were chosen for the 7E7 engines. The reason is simple: both GE and R-R could quickly develop a
30 Cloudy : I'm sure all of the above mentioned points are valid, but there is another factor. A lot of airplane orders in some very important countries are deter
31 Aloha717200 : Pratt and Rolls are UK based correct?
32 Ha763 : P&W is a US company.
33 Starlionblue : Rolls Royce is British.
34 VSGirl : I back RR or GE... Kimberly.
35 Alessandro : Was Lotarev in the race? Do Airbus and Boeing even bother to ask them or other russian manufacturers?
36 VSGirl : I am not sure they do, maybe they listen but I don’t think the end user (airlines) would like it? I mean most western airlines use (or try to) the s
37 Starlionblue : Unfortunately, they probably don't. I think that the Russians will have to fight their way up through biz jets and regionals before being considered f
38 Usatoeze : Was Lotarev in the race? Do Airbus and Boeing even bother to ask them or other russian manufacturers? No. They don't have the ability to spend the nee
39 Oakmad : This is probably a really stupid question, but in the Boeing release they make a point about a standard engine interface. Apart from money and having
40 Post contains images Concordeboy : I fully expected P&W to be a definite engine supplier here. Considering Pratt's recent incredible screwups (so far as new engines/derivatives go), my
41 Post contains links BoingGoingGone : Website at RR updated...112" Fan! http://www.rolls-royce.com/civil_aerospace/products/airlines/trent1000/intro.jsp[Edited 2004-04-07 22:57:12]
42 DfwRevolution : Considering Pratt's recent incredible screwups (so far as new engines/derivatives go), my question to you is... um, why? Pratt has to know the crunch
43 Concordeboy : I don't want to be a cynic, but is this a nail in PW's coffin? Pratt's military biz is exceptional... just that their commercial prowess has recently
44 NDSchu777 : Good news for GE and Rolls...a huge plow to Pratt. It will be exciting to see some of the new technologies developed like the reduced bleed air system
45 Aerobalance : 112 inch fan on the RR?! That's bigger than I imagined for the 7E7!!!
46 Post contains images DC-10 Levo : This is great news! I live right next to a Rolls Royce factory in the East Midlands. Some parts for the A380 engines left the factory about a month ag
47 Ducker : An ex P&W employee, the problem with PW is that in the past (JT3, JT8,JT9)they would do everything they could to buy market share. It is obvious that
48 Areopagus : I wonder if P&W's loss was due in part to Boeing not trusting the geared fan.
49 Post contains images Manzoori : I live right next to a Rolls Royce factory in the East Midlands You do? Which one? Rez
50 Gigneil : 112" is an extremely large fan, the same size as the PW4000 for the 777. I would be surprised, except a large fan moves more air with less work, there
51 777236ER : I don't think it was the PW6000 or PW4098 that sealed PW's fate. Look at the 777 programme: the PW4000 was the engine on the first aircraft, was certi
52 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : and according to PW, had the most scope for growth and efficiency. Apparently not
53 DC-10 Levo : Manzoori, I'm right next to the Hucknall factory. DC-10
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