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How To Tell Between An MD11 And DC10  
User currently offlineYegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1732 posts, RR: 3
Posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6574 times:

I always strigle to tell the difference between a DC10 amd MD 11.

What are the major differences in the way they look.

Thanks

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User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 44
Reply 1, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6553 times:

MD-11 has winglets, a DC-10 does not (no matter what the model.)



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User currently offlineUSAIRWAYS321 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1848 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6539 times:

Yeppers, winglets is definately the easiest and quickest way to tell the difference.

User currently offlineMD11LuxuryLinr From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1385 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6534 times:

MD11 is:

Over 18 feet longer
has a larger wingspan
has winglets
has smaller horizontal stabs
the DC10-40 intake for the #2 engine

that's about all for looks..



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User currently offlineYegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1732 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6496 times:

Thanks fellas.....
much appreciated!!


User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4757 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6476 times:

The aft of the fuselage for both planes differs with the DC10 having a rounder one.


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Not forgetting that the body of the MD 11 is also noticeably longer than the DC 10 - other than the obvious winglets as the main differentiating factor.


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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6245 times:

Yep winglets are the dead giveaway, I also think the cockpit was improved upon as well from the DC-10.

User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 857 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6174 times:

When we´re talking about DC10 / MD11:
Dont you guys think this models have the biggest windows in cockpit?
Those behind the captain and F/O, any other a/c with bigger windows?
Looking awesome......  Wow!
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User currently offlineSonicKidatBWI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6042 times:

The MD-11 is easy to differ from the DC-10. And yes, the MD-11 does have the biggest windows in the cockpit I believe. Also, I think that DC-10/MD-11 has the largest cockpit between the L-1011, 747, and A330/A340.

Ways to distinguish an MD-11 from a DC-10:

-- The MD-11 obviously is noticeably longer than a DC-10
-- The winglets in its self is a dead giveaway
-- The center main boogie can narrow down the possibility to either a DC-10-30/-40 or an MD-11
-- The MD-11 has a much different, squared tailcone than the rounded DC-10s
-- The MD-11s No. 2 engine features the DC-10-40s "inflamed" engine air intake
-- The MD-11 has a smaller vertical tailfin

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User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5297 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5971 times:

The dead giveaway for AA planes was that the DC-10 tails were polished aluminum, while the MD-11 tails were composite material with a dull, light gray color.

User currently offlineSpeedbirdHeavy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 427 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5905 times:

How can you tell the difference between an MD-10 and a DC-10?


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User currently offlineScf158 From Switzerland, joined Dec 2003, 413 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5866 times:

SpeedbirdHeavy,

Good question! The MD10 doesnt even have winglets, just like the DC10. Maybe the MD10 is still a bit longer?

cheers,

scf158


User currently offlinePilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3152 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5821 times:

The MD-10 is simply a DC-10 with upgraded avionics and engines. They also have a gross weight increase. The only way you can tell is by looking at the nose of a FedEx aircraft and seeing the "MD-10" notation or knowing their tail numbers. They don't have flight engineers but the station remains largely intact, there just aren't guages on it any more. The cockpit is glass as well.


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User currently onlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17118 posts, RR: 66
Reply 13, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5796 times:

IIRC, MD-10 = DC-10.


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User currently offlineN685FE From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 451 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5680 times:

MD10 vs. DC10

The entire engineer's panel is removed from the flight deck. So if you were to look into the cockpit from the ground, the RT aft most window would have no obstruction (the engineer's panel would normally be seen here on a DC10). Also another difference that you would be able to notice from the exterior is the outflow valve is upgraded on the MD10, similar to the MD11.



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User currently offlineBmacleod From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2351 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5611 times:

The MD-11 is noticably longer than the DC-10 and has winglets. The tailcone engine has a bigger intake than the DC-10, same as the DC-10-40. And the cockpit windows are bigger as well.

I still can't stop thinking about the proposed MD-12 if the MD-11 had been a big success.



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User currently offlineEMBTucano From Brazil, joined Feb 2004, 246 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 5533 times:

A.net has a great session where you can find info about a/c

DC-10

http://www.airliners.net/info/stats.main?id=279

MD-11
http://www.airliners.net/info/stats.main?id=112

That's how I learned the differences -D

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User currently offlineTriStarEnvy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2265 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 5518 times:

The proposed 12 was to have been a double decker, correct? I recall a quick mention of it, on a news program in the early 90's with an artists impression of it.


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User currently offlineBmacleod From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2351 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 5470 times:

The proposed 12 was to have been a double decker, correct?

I remember seeing an artist's rendition of a "stretched" MD-11 and I believe this was what MD had in mind.....

[Edited 2004-04-07 18:51:38]


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User currently offlineTriStarEnvy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2265 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 5395 times:

And good old McD/D knew how to stretch 'em!


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User currently offlineFDXmech From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3251 posts, RR: 34
Reply 20, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5211 times:

Here's another way to tell the DC10 apart from the MD10.

The MD10 has the big VHF antenna (sharkfin) midway down the top of the fuselage; the DC10 is close to the front.

Who can guess why?



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User currently offlineSpeedbirdHeavy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 427 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5083 times:

I have no idea why about the VHF antenna.

So, what does the FE station on MD-10 flight deck look like now? Is there still a seat with a table top at least? Or, did they take out everything and replace it with just another forward facing jumpseat?



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User currently offlineN685FE From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 451 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4972 times:

SpeedbirdHeavy

Yes the seat and table is still there after the conversion. They only removed the vertical F/E panel.

Bmacleod

How much bigger do you think they could make the windows? I am pretty sure the entire cockpit dimensions are exactly the same. And extending the MD11 fuselage to make the MD12??? If this were true, they would have to place the additional length forward of the gear. The 11 already has a reputation for tail strikes due to it's additional length aft of the gear. The pilots can not fly the MD11 like a MD/DC10.

FDXmech

I give up, why the relocation of the #1 VHF antenna?





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User currently offlineDantiger From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4871 times:

The DC-10 was build by Douglas Aircraft here in Long Beach and the MD-11 was built by MacDonald/ Douglas. Think things went down hill after MacDonald bought out Douglas. An interesting fact is if you ever have the pleasure of being at LGB you will notice to the right as you land from the south a wonderful old sign that was saved by our proud citizens. Boeing tried to take it down. It blazes in neon a 60's style space travel beauty and says
"FLY DOUGLAS JETS."


User currently onlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17118 posts, RR: 66
Reply 24, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4812 times:

The mad nitpicker strikes: Isn't it McDonnell?

Loved living on the landing path to LGB. Cessna, cessna, cessna, cessna, MD-11! Cessna, cessna, cessna.



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User currently offlineFDXmech From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3251 posts, RR: 34
Reply 25, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4693 times:

Let me first apologize for forgetting about this thread.

>>>The MD10 has the big VHF antenna (sharkfin) midway down the top of the fuselage; the DC10 is close to the front.

Who can guess why?
<<<

The answer.

The MD10 like the MD11 has the #1 VHF antenna mounted much further aft on the upper fuselage as to alleviate any antenna ice formation breaking off and being ingested into the #2 engine.
There is no antenna anti-ice incorporated on the MD10 or MD11 for this reason.

The DC10 with its #1 VHF antenna mounted further forward incorporates antenna anti ice which turns on when #2 engine anti-ice is selected to prevent ice from forming on the #1 VHF antenna.


MD10 Vs DC10 upper VHF antenna position.

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