LambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2055 posts, RR: 37 Posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3318 times:
Well I called it.....
Frontier Airlines to move to Lambert's D Concourse
Frontier Airlines is continuing to establish itself in St. Louis by moving its service to the D Concourse at Lambert-St. Louis International Airport effective Wednesday.
The Denver-based airline, which currently operates out of Concourse A, expects the move to give its passengers easier access to their gates. The airline has recently announced increases to its service from St. Louis to Denver, Los Angeles and Cancun, Mexico.
"Frontier's growing presence in St. Louis is representative of the renewed interest in this market," said Leonard Griggs, director of Lambert, in a statement. "Frontier's move to Concourse D will help to relieve the lengthy line of passengers which have frequently emerged at our Concourse A security check point," he said.
The D Concourse had been occupied by American Airlines before it downsized its service to St. Louis and moved to the C Concourse.
Looks like they are going to give F9 room to grow at Lambert by allocating them as many gates in D as they'd like. Looks good for future growth by F9 and hopefully we'll see MCO and LGA come online at some point in time as hinted by Mariner.
Airbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 7497 posts, RR: 11 Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3280 times:
On the other hand, does anyone think that the only reason they're expanding in St. Louis is because they can't get more space in DEN? If there were to be a turn around in DEN and F9 got the gates they want, would it make sense to maintain another hub in St.Louis, so close to DEN?
Ultrapig From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 565 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3266 times:
This is like shuffling the Chairs on the Titanic-Colonel "Mustache" Griggs a political appointee has let the terminal go down hill while he was running it-they can't even keep the moving sidewalks going-or the ceiling from leading!
As for the lines a Concourse A-yes they were huge-but why couldn't the airport through Colonel do something before this-and don't give me its not his department nonsense-my complaint to TSA means nothing his should have-
While screeners were sitting with their hands in their pockets on Con. D there were long lines at A
And as you all note STL wasn't mentioned by Airtran WN or Jet Blue-given the vacuum at Lambert this says something about either the airport, its management or the number of O&DE there-
LambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2055 posts, RR: 37 Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3261 times:
Talking about a hub is getting a bit ahead of ourselves, I would be happy to see it be a five city station by this time next year. The future for Frontier here does look good, and hopefully they will creep around the big scAAred wolf (they act is if they are scared of LCC's in STL as they back down). However, we could be overlooking the primary reason for F9 making this move, lack of office space. There basically is none at F9's current position in STL, I may even expect HP to follow them to D. HP occupies STL's b*stard gate.
Pilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3119 posts, RR: 11 Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3203 times:
The gates at the very far West end of D are the only ones that are still there. I think there were still three there. I can't recall though. Regardless, they are adding two more flights to DEN, and starting LAX and CUN service soon. I flew on them once, standby, and was very impressed with how nice everybody was. I don't think that the space in DEN is an issue, the airline is expanding service in a few other markets as well.
Quickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2478 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3180 times:
Are you saying two more flights to DEN for a total of 4 dailys or just two as they have now? I hadn't heard about those flights, but I'm not surprised considering that American only uses RJs on the route now. F9s product is much better.
As far as where on D the gates are, I can't understand why they wouldn't take gates that are close to the security checkpoint by the food court. Thats a long long walk down D unless maybe they are thinking about using the east checkpoint.
Alphascan From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 937 posts, RR: 13 Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3136 times:
The gate issue at DEN was settled at the end of last year. F9 got a few of UA's A Concourse gates temporarily while the city expands F9's end of the concourse. Some of those gates will be available this summer via extended jetways.
F9 management is on record saying the agreement reached will allow it to grow as planned. I am assuming that means their growth will NOT be inhibited by the gate issue at DEN.
"To he who only has a hammer in his toolbelt, every problem looks like a nail."
UAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2341 posts, RR: 11 Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3120 times:
DEN is giving F9 all the gate space they want. They are even building a new Regional Jet Center for them. Space is not an issue anymore. F9 is expanding is a few markets and this is just another one of them. It is way to close to DEN for them to use it as a hub. F9 just sees potential here and is taking advantage of it. If F9 is to open another hub it will be on the east somewhere.
MSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6349 posts, RR: 50 Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3050 times:
Having several "focus cities" around the country is a good way for us to get our name out there. Our home will always be DEN and rightfully so, but there are obvious oppurtunities elsewhere that we are going to exploit. Our product is a good fit for any major business/leisure market.
FYI, we just took delivery of two new a/c....one A318 and one A319, ships 805 and 926, respectively.
LambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2055 posts, RR: 37 Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3016 times:
A superior product is what in my mind has won customers on the DEN-STL route. Before when AA was running 757's against F9's Mesa CRJ's, there was no competition and nobody even knew who F9 was in STL. Now that they have triumpthantly returned, offering as most people like to call them "little tv's in the headrests", people know who they are, and in some cases are going out of their way to fly F9. Hence, the success of the DEN route.
STL-LGA would be easy pickings for F9 assuming that they could do it, it's a heavy route w/ around 1400 pax per day and has only 5 AA S80's on it.
BTW, I'm liking the idea of a STL-DEN-LAX (small focus-hub-large focus) idea right now, very well balanced and well thought out. I would assume that this move into D has meanings for future growth right?
Quickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2478 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2961 times:
I was quoting another poster who was quoting you. Sorry for the mix up.
LGA would be great, but I agree that it will be a problem to get slots. I think that there is a resentment in STL against AA since they cut service and those customers are looking for alternatives besides Southwest. I truly believe there are some people that won't fly SWA regardless of their "media darling" status. The F9 product head to head against SWA is no contest in F9s favor. Frontier is not as well known but that is changing. The media loves JBLU as well, but I can't see anything that they offer that F9 doesn't offer except frequency up and down the east coast.
InnocuousFox From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2805 posts, RR: 15 Reply 20, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2833 times:
Lambert... you and I did call it correctly a few months back, though. All the available capacity at STL won't go unused for long. Other carriers will gradually move in to take advantage of cheap gates and untapped O&D.
Dave Mark - Intrinsic Algorithm - Reducing the world to mathematical equations!
LambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2055 posts, RR: 37 Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2781 times:
Thanks for that article Mariner, it was a good read. I will agree that there will be no "hub" (at least in the near future), but as I said up top, I would like it to be a five city station by this time next year. There are a number of destinations that would be easily done from STL by undercutting AA on their "prize"(not prize, but the best they've got) routes out of STL. I would almost assume that F9 stay off AA's turf here in STL because we could have a big problem if AA gets upset. A focus city would be great in my book (For an airline the size of F9, 5-6 cities would be one), a decent amount of service w/o cutting into AA's new found yield in St Louis.
Quickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2478 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2753 times:
I remember back in 2000 when AA decided to come to STL and try out a few of TWA's "prized routes". They started with 3 daily STL-LAX, a few STL-LGA. I can't remember if there were others, but maybe STL-PHL. Within a year TWA was purchased. Isn't it funny how things go full circle and now AA is on the receiving end of "cherry picking"?