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New US Gateways For Air France?  
User currently offlineBartond From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 789 posts, RR: 2
Posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4292 times:

Has Air France talked any more about opening up another US gateway? Aren't they considering either DTW or SEA as their next gateway? DTW would seem like a good choice with the Northwest connections but SEA would have to be mostly O&D. Unless AF is just thinking that the Seattle area could use another nonstop to Europe in general. I don't see how this service would hold up but if someone would enlighten me that would be great.

Let's hear about these other airports cuz I don't think AF is coming back to DFW for a long time...

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User currently offlineConcordeboy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4235 times:

Cue JCS, IPate, etc etc etc  Insane




Anywho... the only three USA gateways AF has looked at since 9/11 have been DTW, SEA, and DEN.

The former for connections, the latter for O&D, and the last due to enormous incentives originally offered by the airport.

No decision has been made, nor is likely any time in the immediate future.


User currently offlineIflyatldl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1936 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4196 times:

Now we all know AF is chomping at the bitt to start MSY.  Innocent


Ah, Summer, Fenway Park, Boston Red Sox and Beer.....
User currently offlineConcordeboy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4169 times:

wow, it took a whole 14 minutes... surprising  Insane

User currently offlineIflyatldl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1936 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4088 times:

I couldn't resist! And somebody had to do it!  Laugh out loud


Ah, Summer, Fenway Park, Boston Red Sox and Beer.....
User currently offlineJayDavis From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2000 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3967 times:

There is a large article today in the Dallas Morning News about Low Cost Carriers expanding their operations at DFW. At the very end of the article it talks about how DFW Airport is trying to get Air France to re-introduce service to DFW. Don't know if it will happen but DFW is at least trying to get them back into our airport. Maybe they won't come until the new International Terminal is open in 2005???


Jay


User currently offlineCOEWRNJ From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1064 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3900 times:

What happened with AF at DFW? Was it poor loads or not enough high yield passengers, or a combo of both? Also when did the service operate and for how long?

[Edited 2004-04-08 02:53:05]

User currently offlineLeneld From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 606 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3912 times:

That really interesting that you motioned Seattle, because last I heard Air France was not interested in servicing the Northwest region of the US. When the Port of Portland was in the early stages of seeking European flights to PDX this is what was stated by a representative of Air France in our local paper. Who know.. Maybe a year later their views have changed...

User currently offlineStevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3882 times:

Could be wrong, but I thought NW had their eye on SEA-CDG to go along with SEA-AMS.



User currently offlineBartond From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 789 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3809 times:

COEWR, I think Concky might be able to clarify this, but I think the reason(s) for AF leaving FW / KDFW), USA - Texas">DFW were:

- AF actually started the route in May of '01....go figure what happened after the events of that autumn
- I believe AF lost some contracts with companies here in the D/FW metroplex
- With the burst of telecom, North Dallas' telecom corridor went to hell, and one of the biggest losers was Alcatel, obviously a French telecom giant, who cut thousands and thousands of jobs and closed a plant in Plano (suburb north of Dallas
- AA, on news of AF coming to FW / KDFW), USA - Texas">DFW, of course upgraded their service to either 10x weekly or double daily 772s (can't remember) on their FW / KDFW), USA - Texas">DFW-CDG runs...bastards.
- Delta began to contract their services from FW / KDFW), USA - Texas">DFW and took most all decent sized aircraft off of FW / KDFW), USA - Texas">DFW routes, thus reducing DL connections for AF travelers

So you've heard of the snowball effect...? Now all of those events didn't happen in chronological order, but at one point they all came about so AF really couldn't win. I've read about 10 articles in the past few years that interview various people within the D/FW airport organization and they all say that getting AF back is their main project as far as international carriers go. However, it doesn't seem like they have any interest in coming back here any time soon. Sucks.

Funniest thing, and I've mentioned this before many times, is that capacity on the FW / KDFW), USA - Texas">DFW-CDG route went from AF daily A343 + AA 2x daily 772 down to the current single daily 763 with AA. Now THAT'S a lot of seats that were lost.


User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3719 times:

With Alcatel's business hurting, however, CDG is largely a leisure destination from DFW now. Just the opposite has happened to the DFW-LGW route; now it's 3 daily 777s and one almost-daily 763.


"Lose" is not spelled with two o's!!!!
User currently offlineBartond From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 789 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3529 times:

I think it's just 2x daily 772 DFW-LGW and they added a 3-4x weekly 763 (or it could be daily) for the spring-summer travel season.

User currently offlineHUYfan From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 1406 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3498 times:

AF should launch SEA and DTW in connection with NW and DEN for the large O and D traffic. AF should also consider DFW again with 332 a/c, smaller and more efficient than the 343 previously used.

Lastly, how about Salt Lake City? Large DL market.

Regards

Mike


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3365 times:

AF should also consider DFW again with 332 a/c, smaller and more efficient than the 343 previously used.

Their A332s are targeted at larger-yielding markets than their A343s... so in terms of DFW, that suggestion goes straight out the window  Big grin


how about Salt Lake City? Large DL market

And one DL has made exceedingly clear that they have absolutely no intention of offering intercontinental service therefrom  Sad


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