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User currently offlineElcapi1980 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 220 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2856 times:

Yesterday I was at the airport (MIA), and I saw an A330 in the final approach for rwy 9L. To my point of view, that plane was coming down really fast, I kept watching and all the sudden the plane was going around, my first reaction was to see the if there was another airplane in the runway that may caused this incident, but it wasn't. What I think it happened....Is that the plane had to go missed because the pilot could not slow down the plane......
my question is ....When the this situation occurs... Does the pilot assume any kind of responsibility, what are the correction if any......

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User currently offlineInnocuousFox From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2805 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2793 times:

It's nice to have a scanner in that situation so you can tell who called the missed... tower or the pilot.


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User currently offlineElcapi1980 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2769 times:

it was the pilot.....sorry for not specified....i had an scanner at the moment..
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User currently onlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17002 posts, RR: 67
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2678 times:

I happens. Things don't line up in time. There are rules for this, like "flight path has to be stabilized, wings level by altitude such and such." Better a go around than scraping a wingtip along the runway, or worse.


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User currently offlineCO2BGR From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 558 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2577 times:

Yes a go around is much cheaper than a bent airplane.


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User currently offlineAguilo From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 243 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2535 times:

MIA is probably the best major airport there is anywhere for spotting as one of the main runways runs parallel to a major highway (I75) and a smaller perimeter road (called "perimeter road" appropriately) where you can stop and spot from (or at least you could pre 9/11 don't know about now - though I did it at night regardless)

User currently offlineN6376m From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2494 times:

No more spotting from perimeter road. They've put concrete barriers to block the little gravel parking areas that used to be open to watch the planes.

However you can still stop at the 94th Aero Squardon parking lot and watch the planes. It places you maybe 100 feet further away.

-76M


User currently offline707cmf From France, joined Mar 2002, 4885 posts, RR: 29
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2419 times:

my question is ....When the this situation occurs... Does the pilot assume any kind of responsibility, what are the correction if any......

I don't know if it is a general rule, but usually one does not have to justify a go around. And there is usually no correction at all.

There was the occurence of an airline a few decades back who tried that approach, and tried to prevent the pilots to g around too much.
Direct consequence : more accident.

As my FI often says : if there is a go around, then there is no error.

707, 2 go around solo yet (one not really needed, but I wanted the training)


User currently offlineB752fanatic From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 918 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2308 times:

That could had been a Swiss Air or TAM A330.


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User currently offlineElcapi1980 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2193 times:

yes, it was TAM airlines...


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User currently offlineRick767 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 2662 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2024 times:

It is a completely safe procedure, executed in this case it seems by the aircraft not being fully stabilised on the approach. The crew made the right decision, went around, and came back in again.

No justification is needed, sometimes ATC don't help matters by issuing poor vectors or keeping us high, sometimes the pilots just get it wrong. It doesn't matter.

Incidentally the call is "go around" from either pilot. The flying pilot then executes the missed approach.

Air Traffic Control may issue a "go around" instruction for any reason (including if they consider your approach to be outside parameters). Your landing clearance is subsequently cancelled, you must go around.



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User currently offlineNwairlinkfo From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1877 times:

Sometimes during poor weather (or normal) conditions the on-board windshear detection equipment will sense a loss in airspeed in accordance with a micro-burst encounter which will trigger the "Windshear-Windshear" aural warnings. At least at our company, that is an automatic go-around procedure....especially in South Florida where windshear associated with thunderstorms/microbursts is a somewhat common experience. This might have been one reason for an otherwise normal landing to become a go-around.

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