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Will Continental Order Airbus?  
User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5347 times:

Ok, so we all know Mr. Boeing Bethune is retiring in December. Now that this is occurring, do you think Continental Airlines will ever order Airbus. I mean, eventually, they will get a CEO who likes Airbus planes. So what then?

Your thoughts.

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User currently offlineContinental From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5521 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5282 times:

No they will not. They are an all Boeing fleet, commonality, they do not want to add anything else. They're doing well as is, with their young, efficient fleet. I'd say no, they most likely will not get Airbuses.



User currently offlineCloud4000 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 641 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5260 times:

Of course, I never say never, but Continental doesn't have any plans to by Airbus now or the near future. They are strictly a Boeing shop-- 737,757/767, and 777. They will probably be early contenders for the 7E7 as well.

So ordering an Airbus would seen as odd.



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User currently offlineSJU767 From Puerto Rico, joined Feb 2004, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5207 times:

I hope that will never happens, Continental = Boeing.

User currently offlinePhollingsworth From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 825 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5200 times:

Not meant to imply an anti-Airbus bias, but why exactly would Continental want to purchase Airbus a/c, at least in the near future? Their fleet is relatively young. When it comes time to replace the current mainstay vehicles, i.e., 737s, 767s, 777s, MD80s (which can easily be replaced by 737s), they could look at Airbus (no reason not to), but as it currently stands I can't think of a reason to add an Airbus a/c to the fleet. The only area where Boeing currently falls flat is a direct, range capable competitor to the A332 (this will change when the A380 enters service). Of course Boeing is shopping the 7E7, but that hasn't been launched yet.

User currently offlineJumboJet From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5199 times:

It wouldnt surprise me. UAL is all boeing exept for their A320's. AA is all Boeing except for the A3's. It if would save money, I wouldnt put it past any carrier to have a mixed fleet.

User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2661 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5150 times:

They have the MD8x straggling around, though parts come from Boeing, its not a Boeing a/c.

I even saw one in CLE last month.



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User currently offlineHomer71 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2254 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5039 times:

Well, why did CO retire its AB3s in the mid 90's...to go to an all-Boeing fleet, or did they have a specific problem with the Airbus?


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User currently offlineBrons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3017 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4988 times:

For them to buy an Airubs plane, it would have to be a wholesale subfleet change, ie, 737/757 for A32x. Since they seem to be reasonably well satisfied with the 737NG and they fly the 757 transatlantic (which no Airbus NB can do), what is the incentive to do that?


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User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4971 times:

The Airbus A300-RB4's had performance issues (high altitude airports) and were in relatively poor shape and getting old by the time they were taken out of the fleet (early 1990's).

Continental will not order Airbus. They have a new, all-Boeing mainline jet fleet that fits their needs, and allows them to tweak capacity depending on demand (i.e. 737-700/800/900, 757-200/300, 767-200/400)

ContinentalEWR


User currently offlineBrons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3017 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4933 times:

The Airbus A300-RB4's had performance issues (high altitude airports) and were in relatively poor shape and getting old by the time they were taken out of the fleet (early 1990's).

Yes, I rode on one of these CO A300's in Aug of 1994 IAH-SFO; it was in poor condition and the AC was weak, making the plane uncomfortably warm in flight. After that flight I hated Airbus planes until I flew on an A332 in 2001.



Firings, if well done, are good for employee morale.
User currently offlineWorldperks From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4915 times:

One of the peculiarities of export financing is that it is sometimes easier for Boeing to finance planes to other nations and Airbus to finance planes to the USA rather than Airbus to the European Union and Boeing to the USA. I think Spirit Airlines just found that out. But even at that, it still would not be practical for Continental to lose equipment commonality.



User currently offlineCOAB767 From Guam, joined Nov 2003, 1377 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4911 times:

Yeah I agree with most everyone. Continental would never order Airbus aircraft due to the easiness of just having one aircraft maker in the fleet. Also I don't think CO would like to have more Airbus aircraft anyway.


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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17180 posts, RR: 66
Reply 13, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4898 times:

They might do the little RFP tango though, just to keep Boeing on their toes.


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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5947 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4732 times:

They are moving toward a three family fleet- the 737, 757-767 (common type rating), and the 777. They will achieve this when they (sadly) eliminate the MD-80.

Airbus invented the concept of commonality- cost reduction through intentional similarities across a product range. Continental saw the advantage, and has consolidated it's fleet into a profit machine. Why change now?

BR715, I am ashamed of you and this heresy.
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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1001 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4596 times:

Airbus invented the concept of commonality- cost reduction through intentional similarities across a product range.

No they didn't. In 1967, the 737-200 cockpit was nearly identical to the 727 cockpit. In 1980, the the 757 and 767 shared common cockpit ratings as well as type certification-


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The first link of the Airbus common family, the A320, didn't fly untill 1988.

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User currently offlineCanadianNorth From Canada, joined Aug 2002, 3395 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4519 times:

733, 735, 73G, 738, 739, MD80, 752, 753, 762, 764, 772, possible 7E7... I really dont see Airbus coming into the picture anytime soon. Not that the Airbus is a bad product, but simply Continental Airlines currently has a great modern and efficient fleet as it is, with no need really to add more types.


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User currently offlineThrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2691 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4359 times:

I doubt Continental will order Airbus. The only Airbus aircraft they ever operated was the A300s it inherited from People Express, which did not please them at all...it only lasted a few years in the fleet. They are loyal to Boeing, and I predict that they are likely to buy the 777-200LR, because it offers only the GE-90, the engine Continental happened to select, and they also will probably order the 777 b/c they offer either GE or RR, engines Continental is likely to prefer either way, considering that they prefer GE and RR over the PW engines.


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User currently offlineFLYSSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7428 posts, RR: 57
Reply 18, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4284 times:

I hope that it will never happen. CO = Boeing

SJU767, what is this ? the Space Shuttle ???


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Most of CO's A300 came from Eastern Airlines.

Thrust, People Express NEVER operated any A300...



User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 27
Reply 19, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4279 times:

Not anytime soon. . .there is no need. And with the 7E7 on the way. . .Continental doesn't have much a/c shopping to do. Their route structure is served well by their current fleet types. I think the only Airbuses you'll see in their livery are the A300s in the database. . .unless Continental merges with or purchases another carrier that currently flies Airbuses. Then it's a whole different ballgame. . .just like the way they got their last Airbuses (from Eastern).


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User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4102 times:

Its Ok, Randy, I just wanted to hear everybody else's thoughts on this. Personally, CO would not look good on an Airbus. Not as good as Frontier does.

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3977 times:

Well, why did CO retire its AB3s in the mid 90's...

The Airbus A300-RB4's had performance issues (high altitude airports) and were in relatively poor shape and getting old by the time they were taken out of the fleet (early 1990's).



While the latter may have contributed more or less... the primary reason for CO divesting those aircraft was the combination of their high capacity and stratospheric (non-negotiable) lease rates.

After running the planes in various different market/operation types, CO figured that their business model simply support the profitable operation of that type.


User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5310 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3908 times:

I thought that CO, as well as DL and AA, had long-term contracts that gave them the right to buy a fixed number of airplanes at specific prices. AA's contract is for 20 years, starting in 1997 or 1998.

Considering that CO has been delaying deliveries, it has a number of production slots over the next 10 to 15 years. So, why would it go to Airbus.


User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 23, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3875 times:

ckfred, I heard the same thing about the 20 year contract. Apparently that's why Boeing developed the 764 to meet CO and DL's requirements for such an aircraft instead of going for the A330.


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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 859 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3828 times:

Love to see some buses in CO fleet, A332-3/ 32X for instance.
Happy Easter, A.netfreaks Big grin

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25 NIKV69 : Being a FF of CO I do not want to see any Airbus AC in their fleet. There is no need for it. They are an all Boeing fleet and CO Express has ERJs. Why
26 ConcordeBoy : I thought that CO, as well as DL and AA, had long-term contracts that gave them the right to buy a fixed number of airplanes at specific prices. AA's
27 HlywdCatft : CO is still taking brand new 737NGs and they are a newer product than Airbus. Maybe they would take Airbus 20 years down the road when they are ready
28 SJU767 : FLYSSC: " I hope that it will never happen. CO = Boeing " "SJU767, what is this ? the Space Shuttle ???" I meant now days, it is well known they had a
29 Post contains images FLYSSC : SJU767, I know you knew...!!!! that was just a joke ! But I don't CO was THAT unpleased by their A300...
30 Iberia340600 : It just would not make sense for Continental to go with Airbus with an all Boeing fleet...it was just add huge maintenance expenses to their budget wh
31 Iowa744Fan : ConcordeBoy, In regards to your post about the removal of the "Sole Provider" title for American, Delta, and Continental, do they still have any sorts
32 F4N : To all: While it is not likely that CO will order Airbus a/c any time in the near to mid-term future, to suggest that they will never order Airbus is
33 AA737-823 : DFWRevolution: hello my hometown brother. I stand behind my statement that Airbus invented commonality. While you are correct in saying that the 737 w
34 Post contains images DfwRevolution : Airbus wins hands-down. I am not an Airbus fan, but I think Boeing would stand a lot to gain by making the cockpits all common- the 737NG with the 777
35 Starlionblue : Making all the cockpits common will not magically decrease costs in a fleet as big as that of Continental. You can still only have pilots current on t
36 Startvalve : Well, why did CO retire its AB3s in the mid 90's... Bethune says in his book "From Worst To First" the A300s had these disgusting lease rates on them
37 Post contains images Solnabo : I´ve seen that 737NG has head-up-display! Is it there for the crew not to fall asleep while flying the machine? *lol* **Glad Påsk** Michael//SE
38 Continental : Didn't Continental have A340s or A330s on order a long while back?? I could be getting it confused with another airline... Either way, since then they
39 Yyz717 : I think it is critical for Boeing to get a CO order for the 7E7 in due course. While new aircraft, the CO 753/762/764 will age quickly as new 7E7/332
40 Thrust : THAT'S RIGHT. Sorry I made an error. Those A300s were from Eastern, don't know why I thought of People Express. I don't why I said People Express. I k
41 Post contains images Yyz717 : Didn't Continental have A340s or A330s on order a long while back?? Hmmm..yes, that rings a bell. I think it was a mix of the 333/343 placed around th
42 Alpha 1 : Will Continental Order Airbus? Will the Pope convert to Islam? or did they have a specific problem with the Airbus? Yes, the ones we had were pieces o
43 Post contains images Solnabo : So why did CO flying this piece of crap?? No Boeings to satisfy CO´s need? Jeeeeeehhhh Michael//SE
44 Alpha 1 : So why did CO flying this piece of crap?? Because Lorenzo got them for a song and a dance from Airbus. Frankie would have ordered all DC-3's had he go
45 N276AASTT : Continental has their bases pretty much covered with respect to their current routes/plane types. The only way I see them ordering a Airbus A340-500/6
46 Warren747sp : The Pilots and the Machanics had enough of the A360. Guess why the nickname when they had the A300-B4?
47 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : ConcordeBoy, In regards to your post about the removal of the "Sole Provider" title for American, Delta, and Continental, do they still have any sorts
48 StefanDotDe : Brons: "Yes, I rode on one of these CO A300's in Aug of 1994 IAH-SFO; it was in poor condition and the AC was weak, making the plane uncomfortably war
49 Goldentail : Being I have been here for years...Alpha 1's account of why we got rid of the AB3's is accurate. They were junk, and first generation commercial aircr
50 Dutchjet : It is unlikely that CO will order Airbus aircraft in the future - Gordon pretty much committed CO to an all Boeing fleet as pointed out above. Re the
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