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JetBlue Terminal Renovation Plans At JFK  
User currently offlineUS A333 PIT From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 310 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4566 times:

Has JetBlue started revamping terminal 6 at JFK? Are they going to use any parts of the beautiful old TWA terminal (terminal 5 I believe) that is now vacant? I've heard they might try to combine the two and build a new customs facility in terminal 5. If they revamp terminal 5 as well, will the landside structure be left as it is. What do these planned renovations entail and have they started with it? ANy ideas as to how much it's going to cost? ANyone who can tell me anything about this, thanks a lot.

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User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3204 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4526 times:

Jetblue should just move into terminal 5!

I mean those classic sweeping designs just suit jetblue perfectly. A swarw hip building for a swarv hip airline. A few updates is needed i guess (unfortunately.... im never one to destroy classic architecture) but hey, could be the grooviest terminal about. The rebirth of cool. What do ya think?


User currently offlineAA787 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 610 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4476 times:

T5 at JFK is no where near adequate for anyone to use right now. If it was they would have moved there ages ago!

AA787



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User currently offlineQqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2266 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4372 times:

I've thought all along T5 would suit jBlu perfectly! The architecture is truly inspiring and fits their personality. Don't JFK plans include demolition of T5 for a new one? I hope that never happens. Instead of disrupting ops at T6, jBlu can remodel T5 and make a seamless transition between the two when the remodel is complete. I'd love it!


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User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4242 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4322 times:

This topic comes up in here from time to time... let me give you the correct info (condensed version):

JetBlue, currently in T6, is in the process of negiotiating with the PANYNJ about building a new T5. The most recent plans include demolishing the current gate areas of T5 and building the new terminal behind the classic Saarinen landmark building. There would also be a roadway behind this building, for arriving passenger pick-up.

The big debate is to what exactly the purpose of the Saarinen building will be. It will technically not be part of JetBlue's terminal, although there will be JetBlue electronic check-in booths and other facilities. As a terminal building, it is woefully unable to handle to day-to-day needs of an airline, something even TWA realized. But its retro charm and style are undeniable. The "tubes" which connect the Saarninen building with the gates will eventually connect the Saarinen building with the actual JetBlue terminal... passengers stepping off the AirTrain, for example, will have to walk through the Saarinen building and the "tube" to get to the JetBlue check-in counters and gates.



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User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2993 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4306 times:

To add to the good summary that Richierich already provided, let me stress that the Saarinen building has been designated a historic landmark and CANNOT be torn down. So don't worry about that!  Smile


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User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4255 times:

It cannot be torn down, but what if PANYNJ were to make it a... MUSEUM. Fill it with old airline memorabilia and make it a TWA Museum. Not a bad idea eh?

User currently offlineJfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3392 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4119 times:

First off, for all of you who keep saying that the terminal is not fit for use as is, let me remind you that up until 6 years ago, TWA was pulling 747s from all over the world up to those gates.
The building needs a revamp because TWA was in bad financial shape and couldn't do it, but the terminal could be used as is.

PJ


User currently offlineUS A333 PIT From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3959 times:

How could they build a new terminal behind the Saarninen building? There's a road and a parking lot right behind it if I'm not mistaken.


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Assuming that this new terminal behind it were for checkin only, would this mean that JetBlue passengers would have to pass through the Saarinen building to get to there gates? It seems like the only place for them to have gates would be in front of the building where they currently are (minus the actual jetways). Can someone please clarify.


User currently offlinePdpsol From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1110 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3899 times:

US A333 PIT,

No, the plan is to locate the new terminal on the airside of T-5, leaving the parking/airtrain facilities where they are. The terminal 'tubes' would lead into the new building, which would extend to where T-6 is now (T-6 would be torn down). Gates would line the entire facility and passengers would be able to enter through Saarinen's building into the new terminal or directly through where T-6 is now.

This highlights the primary debate between the PANYNJ and the 'purists' wishing to see T-5 remain with direct links to waiting aircraft. They believe T-5 will lose its functional purpose if it simply has a secondary role overshadowed by the new terminal airside.

PDPsol


User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4493 posts, RR: 33
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3808 times:

A few years ago, PANYNJ came up with conceptual drawings for the "wraparound" terminal, which looked like a big fishhook around the back of T5, with a/c parking along the outside of the fishhook. There was one finger pointing to the east, I think, with additional gates. I don't know where the drawings can be found nowadays.

One thing I wonder, looking at the aerial photo US A333 PIT helpfully provided, is if the PA could simply build large one-level extensions around the sides and back of the Saarinen building for check in (east side) and baggage (west side). Or perhaps extend T6 into the space in between the two terminals, and use T5 as an entirely airside building. Such extensions would not harm the 'look' of T5, and would allow it to process much larger numbers of passengers. Also, the eastern T5 airside would need to be much enlarged to provide big enough lounges and concessions for dense traffic.

What is the large rectangular extension to the east of the T5 landside? Old Customs & Immigration area?

Jim


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16829 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3671 times:

"What is the large rectangular extension to the east of the T5 landside? Old Customs & Immigration area"

It's just an open aired shelter where baggage vehicles were stored, I think some interline baggage transfer happened there but it's opened aired.

T-5 can in no way handle current security needs, the huge scanning equipment would take up way too much room. The ticket counters, baggage, cafeteria, restrooms, and basically every aspect of the terminal was not suitable for modern commercial air travel. TWA knew this but had no way to make improvemens since they had been operating on the verge of extinction for 10-15 years, they could not afford to build new facilities.

Jetblue will get a new terminal which will replace T-6, and somehow be connected to T-5 although T-5 would not be the entrance nor host significant operations of any kind save maybe a E-ticket machine.

I think the size of T-5 is lost on many people, it's a vey small structure dwarfed by the other terminals at JFK. The main terminal (not concourses) of T-5 is about the same size as a large suburban Burger King, really it's quite small.



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User currently offlineDelyan From Bulgaria, joined Jun 2005, 46 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3604 times:

Are you guys kidding? As much as I like JetBlue, I think their JFK terminal is the worst in the world. It's always under construction, the monitors with flight departures and arrivals are not working all the time. The building itself is old. Maybe it had modern looks 30 years ago. For example, terminal (I think 1), the Lufthansa one is nice, clean and neat.

User currently offlineFutureB6Capt From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3562 times:

B6 is planning on getting terminal 5 WITH terminal 6 and THEN leaving terminal 6 in order to find a new terminal (Most likely, yet, it is all talk). The JetBlue terminal is VERY nice if i say so myself and the VP Corporate Real estate is a great guy who knows what he is doing. TV's, Jetblue checkard carpet, food...doesn't get much better  Smile

-FutureB6Capt


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