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Channel 9 On UAL - Why Not Other Carriers Too?  
User currently offlineGoomba From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 309 posts, RR: 1
Posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4696 times:

The channel 9 functionality on UAL flights is such a cool part of the IFE. I wonder why other airlines don't subscribe to this by allowing passengers to listen to live ATC whilst flying?

Any insight here?

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User currently offlinePIA777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1738 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4587 times:

I love that channel. I listen to it for the entire flight. I don't understand
why others don't have it.

PIA777



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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13073 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4547 times:

Probably they don't want uninformed pax to know what really goes on in the Cockpit, as some things said could be misunderstood. I also suspect, it may be to limit liability if a pilot misspoke, or says something that causes an accident. Besides, how may airline geeks are there on a typical a/c :0

User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5216 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4547 times:

AA eliminated the cockpit channel on IFE after it installed on-board telephones. They felt that if passengers heard radio communications about emergencies, they would would start panic calling. That's what a pilot with AA has told me.

User currently offlineSdkualeb From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4429 times:

Uniteds pilots can turn it on or off at anytime, its truly the best IFE out there

User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4363 times:

Even being an airline fan I believe to the general public it does have limited appeal. I myself would not chose an airline based on channel 9, just my opinion.


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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4306 times:

I love listening to ATC talk...it is really great hearing your flight cleared for take-off and then a split second later, feeling yourself pushed back in your seat.

As for the rest of UAL's entertainment channels, they're great!! I was overwhelmed on my last trip with their choices on the country music selection - it was just phenomenal. I didn't want the flight to end, and that was without any meal service!

Go United!! And keep flying those 747's!



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User currently offlinePlanemaker From Tuvalu, joined Aug 2003, 6144 posts, RR: 35
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4168 times:

ANA has video on take-off and landing!  Big thumbs up


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User currently offlineJe89_w From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 2360 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4069 times:
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I love listening to UA's channel 9 too. Not too sure why only UA has it.

A lot of airlines have the front view of taking off/landing like JAL.


User currently offlinePilottim747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1607 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3949 times:

I don't fly United because it has Channel 9, however, it does help to affirm United as my favorite US airline. Back in 2002, I was stuck on a UA flight on the ground in ORD but stuck on the ground due to a ground stop from thunderstorms. It was something like 1.5 to 2 hours on the ground, long for the passengers. I, however, was having a great time because I was able to listen to all the active happening around ORD.

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User currently offlineRicardomexico From Mexico, joined Nov 2002, 109 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3826 times:

I had this chance last year, on a LAX-MEX flight and I loved it! it was very interesting for me, considering that most of the flight is over Mexican territory, I wrote this new experence for me in one of my trip reports. I would like to reproduce here my experience again, and you can see that even I liked it there was a moment when I turned it off:
Nov 20-2003 UA1003 : "The captain said that we could hear the cabin communications with the air controllers in one of the radio channels so I did it, and I liked it, I could hear communications from Aerocalifornia flight 500, Aerocalifornia flight 406, Alaska flight 298, MX975, MX939, Alaska 228, MX920, and MX433. There was a moment that aerocalifornia 500 reported turbulence in the Mazatlan area and then other Aeromexico flight did the same, and after a few minutes we had a moderate turbulence in our flight that the captain asked for permission to descend altitude, and asked all passengers and crew to be seated. Then I preferred to heard music and I heard again the cabin communication channel when we were descending into the Mexico City area. This time I could hear communications from MX902, MX465, AM279, MX436, AM277 and AM185."



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User currently offlineAAR90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3471 posts, RR: 47
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3776 times:

AA eliminated the cockpit channel on IFE after it installed on-board telephones. They felt that if passengers heard radio communications about emergencies, they would would start panic calling.

AA eliminated the cockpit video/audio systems because AA was being sued too many times by trial lawyers who were found to be taping the feed. No lawsuit was ever successful, but AA spent big $$$ defending itself from said lawyers who would claim "pilot negligence" if he saw a pilot rest his hand on the glareshield "too long" or more than a few seconds delay was heard prior to the pilots responding to ATC communications. With the disabling of the systems, ALL such lawsuits ceased immediately. The above info told to me by AA's top staff trial lawyer in 1990.




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User currently offlineQ330 From Australia, joined Dec 2003, 1460 posts, RR: 21
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3736 times:

I always listen to channel 9 when I fly United. I really enjoy listening to it, but I was very surprised that they kept it after 9/11. It would seem to me that something like that would be among the first to go.

-Q



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User currently offlineOsubuckeyes From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 698 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3703 times:

I love listening to channel 9 especially when you have lots of landings then a quick takeoff in between. Though I wish the other airlines did it.

User currently offlineAguilo From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 243 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3641 times:

Ditto - Channel 9 is the best IFE there is - cheap for the airlines too! I wish they all had it.

At ORD I once heard ATC tell a UAL A320 such and such takeoff instructions and then end with "no delay on the roll". I knew which a/c he was talking to and watched it take off as soon as he got to the threshold.

What does the term mean exactly though? Is it meant to say, "hey, we've got alot of traffic no time to dilly dally - once you're cleared you gotta go!"

Anyone know?


User currently offlineAviationwiz From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 962 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3601 times:

I, however, was having a great time because I was able to listen to all the active happening around ORD.

That sure is one way to pass the time on a flight delayed on the ground!

I was very surprised that they kept it after 9/11. It would seem to me that something like that would be among the first to go.

I just learned about it! It does seem to me that after 9/11 it would have been out the door, I mean, terrorists COULD listen in to where they are, and time a hijacking then, or what not. Hmmm, think the 9/11 hijackers used that method, and that's why it was AA and UA? Makes you wonder...



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21558 posts, RR: 55
Reply 16, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3542 times:

"No delay on the roll" means the ATC wants the plane to takeoff without every stopping on the runway. The plane uses a bit more thrust to taxi onto the runway faster and as soon as they're aligned with the runway, takeoff power is applied. It gets the plane off faster, useful if there's another on short final.

Channel 9 is truly the best IFE there is. Beats even a PTV. It's part of the reason that United is my favorite US carrier (and perhaps overall carrier). I've never heard anything on it to suggest where the airplane is, apart from the specific center that the plane is talking to, and that doesn't tell one much, so I can't see how it's a security risk. Why other airlines don't have it, I have no idea.




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User currently offlineBCALdavid From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3470 times:

I listened to Channel 9 on a UA 744 from IAD to LHR a few years ago.

As we taxied for departure, the captain asked to pull over because there was a flashing warning light and they didn't know what it meant. We then listened to the crew talking to UA maintenance who replied, and I quote, "don't worry, its nothing important, you should be fine".

You could see people around the cabin looking horrified at each other, but of course being predominantly British passengers, nobody said anything!!!

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User currently offlineUal777contrail From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3441 times:

aviationwiz,
Why should it have gone after 9/11? You can go to flight tracker and see the plane right on the screen. You may be able to listen to where they are, but you have to go through a tough cockpit door and maybe a gun at the other end of that door.


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User currently offlineAviationwiz From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 962 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3334 times:

You can't look at Flight Tracker while your in flight though... I'm not saying I wanted it to go after 9/11, but I sure expected it to go. As far as a tough cockpit door and maybe a gun at the other end, if a terrorist wants something done, chances are, they'll do it if they try hard enough.


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User currently offlineUal777contrail From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3211 times:

aviationwiz,
So then we should keep the cockpit doors open? Because if they want the plane they'll get it?

we should not search anybody going through security? Because if they want a bomb on the plane they'll get it?

why not just hand it to a ramper and say here put this on the plane?

I mean they will get it there anyways right? You still have to take measures to insure safety is the main concern, you can keep trying and fool these idiots, and no they don't always get what they want.

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User currently offlineChi-town From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 971 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3164 times:

I'm flying on UA tomorrow....ORD-FLL (757)....can't wait to tune in to Channel 9.  Smile

User currently offlineAirplanePeanut From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 452 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3107 times:

every airline needs it...........


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User currently offlineJc5280 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 530 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3044 times:

My favorite is when you hear the pushback tractor feeding through. Usually its only if the FAs finish the safety demo at the gate before push. I always listen for the, "ground to flightdeck, predeparture check complete, standing by for a two-person pushback"....


Oh yeah, and sometimes during flight, you can hear the flight attendants calling the flight deck...funny conversations sometimes. Although, I think I have only noticed this on the 747.

[Edited 2004-04-11 23:33:42]

User currently offlineBritish767 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 284 posts, RR: 21
Reply 24, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2988 times:

It really is a shame that BA dont have the ability to listen to their ATC

25 Aviationwiz : Ual777contrail, I never said not to have measures to stop criminals, but realistically, if a terrorist group wants something done, it generally gets d
26 UK_Dispatcher : I once was meeting a friend in ORD who had flown in with UA. He knew my bmi flight had landed behind him because he heard "Midland 706" on UA's Channe
27 Ual4me : I personally love channel 9-recently on a transcon flight from EWR to SFO, I loved listening to it to find out where we were. Since we had no map serv
28 Bobs89irocz : Boy i wish AA had that, the only other airline i flew other then AA was WN once from GEG-SLC. Since AA doesnt have the channel 9 i just take my scanne
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