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User currently offline747srule From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 429 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2544 times:

Why are there at least seven flights on this route? I just can't see how that many pax would need this service. Any thoughts are greatly welcomed.


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User currently offlinePlaneviewNYC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2513 times:

Mostly entertainment industry types, I would imagine.

User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16368 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2501 times:

Makes sense to me. The 2nd largest city in the US & the largest UK city have extensive economic, ethnic, and vacation ties.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineKZBA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2502 times:
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BA will add a third service in June as well!

User currently offline747srule From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 429 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2450 times:

Hey KZBA any more info on this new BA flight? Type, time, frequency?


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User currently offlineACES320 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 393 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2414 times:

Can you mention what specific flights are they? I remember BA, VS, UA, AA, NZ. Any other?


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User currently offline747srule From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 429 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2390 times:

I can tell you BA 283,269 VS 7,23 UA 935,AA 137, Air New Zealand 1 are the flights I am aware of.


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User currently offlineBritPilot777 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1075 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2385 times:

Im guessing the 7 flight must be shared between BA, UA, AA, Virgin.

UA and AA have 2?

Still would like to know what they really are. Let us know 747srule.



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User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4518 posts, RR: 53
Reply 8, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2377 times:

BA twice daily all year round

VS twice daily in the summer i'm not sure but in the off season is it 1 daily?

AA UA NZ each have...what 1 i believe.

so that is yeah around 7 a day unless we have forgotten someone.

let's not forget that back in the early 90s, BA had 2 dailies as well as a 767 to Manchester. BCal had that DC-10 coming in from San Diego and continuing to Gatwick. Perhaps there were 2 744 1 763 and a 1 DC-10 at LAX per day at Los Angeles at one point.

I've been flying LHR-LAX and back for the last 15 years with BA and i've never seen an empty plane. In the early days they flew the Classics but ever since what the early 90s its been the 744, the last time i flew a 742 on that route was circa 1993 or 1994.

One reason I can think of is that some people continue to Oz and New Zealand.

if i'm not mistaken there are lots of brits in orange county and san diego.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 9, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2339 times:

London-Los Angeles is an airline's "perfect" market. Not only is there a huge amount of high-paying premium business travelers, but a plethora of tourists. Planes go out full in all four cabins, with a just right porportion of business/leisure travelers. Also, the London-Los Angeles market has strong year-round demand. Similar case with the San Francisco-London and Miami-London markets.


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User currently offlineStevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2278 times:

Yes...UA only has one daily nonstop. 934/935

User currently offlineBA001Concorde From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 94 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2238 times:

747srule: Hey KZBA any more info on this new BA flight? Type, time, frequency?

BA279 / BA278 will operate LHR-LAX / LAX-LHR on Mon, Wed, & Sat via a B-747-400.

BA279 / Dep: LHR (10:00) Arr: LAX (13:05)
BA278 / Dep: LAX (15:35) Arr: LHR (09:55 +1)

B-Rgds,
BA001



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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26150 posts, RR: 50
Reply 12, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2187 times:

London - Los Angeles is the 3rd largest city pair between the UK and US. The market while having a summer peak is generally quite a good one allowing for high year around load factors. For the summer of 2004 there will actually be 9 flights between the cities, as AA and BA will be adding a 2nd and 3rd flight respectively.

For the record and those curious here are the top 10 route pairs between the UK and US for 2003 in terms of passengers flown.

1.LHR-JFK 2.7mil
2.LHR-ORD 1.4mil
3.LHR-LAX 1.2mil
4.LHR-IAD 1.0mil
5.LHR-SFO 0.97mil
6.LHR-BOS 0.92mil
7.LGW-MCO 0.77mil
8.LHR-MIA 0.74mil
9.LHR-EWR 0.73mil
10.LGW-ATL 0.49mil




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User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5620 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2135 times:

AA now has (2) 777s daily to LHR.
UA 777 (1 daily)
BA 744 (2 daily-3 flts on We/Fr/Su?)
VS 744/A340 2-daily (1 each)
NZ 744 1-daily

At least 8 dailies and on some days 9 flts.


BN747




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User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2107 times:

Here at SFO we get
2x daily UA (1x 777, 1x 744)
2x daily BA (744)
1x daily VS (744)

Nothing to shabby there, of course not as many as LAX either.

-Copa


User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4518 posts, RR: 53
Reply 15, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2078 times:

BN747, i heard that VS were only operating a once daily in the off season, is this true? I heard that it was going to be A343 only (which i thought was weird) but then on the occasions when i went to LAX i saw their 744 there and not the A340...do you have any idea what I'm talking about???  Smile


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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2043 times:

Im guessing the 7 flight must be shared between BA, UA, AA, Virgin.

NZ also flies LAX-LHR, and with full 5th freedoms.


User currently offlineAerohottie From Australia, joined Mar 2004, 802 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2012 times:

Perhaps NZ will open SFO-LHR with their new AKL-SFO service starting later this year.


What?
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 18, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2004 times:

For the record and those curious here are the top 10 route pairs between the UK and US for 2003 in terms of passengers flown.

1.LHR-JFK 2.7mil
2.LHR-ORD 1.4mil
3.LHR-LAX 1.2mil
4.LHR-IAD 1.0mil
5.LHR-SFO 0.97mil
6.LHR-BOS 0.92mil
7.LGW-CO / KMCO), USA - Florida">MCO 0.77mil
8.LHR-MIA 0.74mil
9.LHR-EWR 0.73mil
10.LGW-ATL 0.49mil


Just to note, that total LON-MIA and LON-EWR traffic is slightly higher (quite significantly higher in the case of EWR-LGW), because CO flies LGW-EWR and, through most of 2003, VS flew LGW-MIA (which is now LHR-MIA).



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User currently offlineAerohottie From Australia, joined Mar 2004, 802 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2002 times:

Good call,
does anyone have the figures for metro area with combined JFK/EWR and LHR/LGW?

Would give a more accurate picture



What?
User currently offlineBCALdavid From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1972 times:

I've flown LHR - LAX many times on business - all premium cabins have always been virtually full. I noticed (in economy) my BA flights had a lot of Europeans connecting at LHR, especially Italians and Scandinavians. VS flights, economy seemed mostly UK tourists while AA mostly Americans. I could never understand why AA had only one flight each day, the second summer flight will be very welcome!

User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1841 times:

Aerohottie: that would be great. I was thinking maybe extend it to FRA if it worked out, but LHR would be a good destination as well.

-Copa


User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5620 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1738 times:

I sure do, AirLiban...VS does cut back to a single dailt flight in the off season, however it is operated by a 744. The A340 is what gets pulled. We've gotten the strange VS Gatwick-based 744 G-VROY here once...now I don't know how that happened. This ships are usually deployed to the carribean, TPA/MCO and LAS.

BN747



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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26150 posts, RR: 50
Reply 23, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1699 times:

Ok for those that would like city pair traffic stats versus specific route stats here are the 2003 numbers.

1.London-New York 3.67mil
2.London-Chicago 1.36mil
3.London-Los Angeles 1.18mil
4.London-Washington 1.12mil
5.London-Orlando 1.05mil
6.London-San Francisco .97mil
7.London-Boston .92mil
8.London-Miami .86mil
9.London-Atlanta .49mil
10.London-Houston .45mil

The top non London UK-US route is Manchester-Orlando with .43mil passengers in 2003.

And for our Canadian friends the top UK-Canada routes are

1.London-Toronto 1.18mil
2.London-vancouver .57mil
3.London-Montreal .29mil
4.London-Calgary .24mil
5.Manchester-Toronto .12mil



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