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AA Might Have To Make More Cuts, But What?  
User currently offlineAtcboy73 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1100 posts, RR: 2
Posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5504 times:

http://wichita.bizjournals.com/wichita/stories/2004/04/05/daily42.html

The article states that AA is looking at making more cuts. Man, I would of thought they would of made all the cuts they could of in the mission they are on now, to cut what, 4 billion dollars from their operation.

What other cuts could they make now?

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User currently offlineWorkbench From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5431 times:

I strongly believe that there is no way AA can make enough cuts to survive. AA is dying a slow death and by this time next year they will be in bankruptcy and soon after only a memory. This is great news for all consumers and LCC!

User currently offlineAAJAXFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5373 times:

This is great news for all consumers and LCC!

You couldn't be more wrong.


User currently offlineKKMolokai From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 760 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5352 times:

"I strongly believe that there is no way AA can make enough cuts to survive. AA is dying a slow death and by this time next year they will be in bankruptcy and soon after only a memory. This is great news for all consumers and LCC!"

Ignorance is bliss!



We are the people of American Airlines. And we know why you fly.
User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5348 times:

I am not sure it is all so doom and gloom at AA, I think they still have work to do, and which airline does not. Now with jet fuel prices what there are that is adding a new wrinkle to each and every airline flying.


You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5182 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 5243 times:

Workbench

AA dying is bad news for shareholders like me, as well as its employees and vendors. The economy really needs 100,000 people losing their jobs simultaneously.

If AA were to go out of business, there would not be enough LCCs to pick up the O&D traffic at ORD

I notice that you like to badmouth AA frequently. Does someone in your family work for a competitor? Or did you simply have a bad experience flying AA?


User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 5240 times:

Well since labor costs & fuel are the#1 and #2 expenses of running an airline, I say they could return the 24 leased A300s on that 30-day walkaway agreement with Airbus, but then you'll be cutting capacity & elimidating cargo revenue as well. It's a catch-22 situation there. The Fokkers are going, and the TWA 757s are on their way out as well. Perhaps start asking for volunteers to go from full-time hours to part-time hours without laying people off. All just my ideas only, to cut costs for a better chance of avoiding bankruptcy. Regards.


"Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." --Ben Franklin
User currently offlineChgoflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 622 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5227 times:

workbench... your age is listed 13-15. What the h*ll do you know... go to college when you graduate you can re think your answer.


Will someone please wake me up in 4 years
User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5195 times:

I have a sad feeling that STL will be involved in the cuts if its airport and scheduleing wise.....but i sure hope not. I love AA and would love to see them survive, bankrutpcy would not be good, AA is the only airline we have left that will keep the TWA spriirt alive..

ok , ok enough about that lol, but AA claims DFW will get more service so what ARE they cutting back then?
Alex



Good things come to those who wait, better things come to those who go AFTER it!
User currently offlineAA787 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 610 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5184 times:

Workbench-
Even though I have not been on this forum for quite as long as you have, you only have made several anti-AA posts. I can remember when you posted a thread entitled something like "AA to meet its death!!!"
If you have a problem with AA that's fine. HOWEVER, making ridiculous comments like the ones I have seen are inappropriate. This forum is meant for aviation enthusiasts to share their knowledge. It is not about sharing your humble opinion and putting down people's airlines.
If AA were to go out of business, hundreds of thousands of people would go jobless. LCCs could not even come close to filling the gap left by AA leaving the consumer with LESS options!

This thread is about AA cuts...I think they will be forced to cut some flights out of their east coast gateways (quite unfortunately). I could be wrong, but I cant think of anywhere else to cut.

All information is welcome,
AA787



ET In NYC
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32624 posts, RR: 72
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5175 times:

ok , ok enough about that lol, but AA claims DFW will get more service so what ARE they cutting back then?


The article has absolutley no found basis for this "down sizing" other than the author saying so.

Fuel costs are rising, which isn't a good thing. Luckily, it will not be a premanent trend. AA and other airlines will have to feel the pain, but don't expect to it to mean AA will be cutting back. AA plans roughly 15-20% growth at Dallas in the next few years and about 35-40% growth in Miami.

Hypothetically, however, if any city gets cuts, it will be St. Louis. Though don't look for cuts any time soon. The major cutting is pretty much over at AA unless another 9.11-like situation forces thing to change. You will mainly be seeing growth at AA this year, including three new stations: Halifax, St. Lucia Hewanorra, and Torreon (Mexico).



a.
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5165 times:

If the hourly rates of pay for all unionized staff are higher than the LCC's, that's where they need to cut further.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineOrdpark From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 574 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5157 times:
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Workbench -

What an amazingly ignorant response!!


User currently offlineFourstripe From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5155 times:

I truly hope that AA will survive these difficult times. Luckily, AA has the fleet available to make cuts (largest airline). They can return their Airbus fleet (as previously mentioned).As far as pay for staff, it is the LCC's that pay their crews and agents crap salaries that are hurting the industry. I really hate saying this, but maybe its time the gov't goes back to regulating the airlines.

-David



“Aviation is proof that given, the will, we have the capacity to achieve the impossible.” - Edward Vernon Rickenbacker
User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5182 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5131 times:

Yyz717

I doubt that the unionized employees will accept further cuts.

The F/A union members were only a few votes short of getting rid of current officers.

The union that represents UA's and NW's mechanics are trying to oust the TWU.

And the pilots never got the pay raise that UA and DL pilots got prior to September 11th, so their pay scale is very low, relative to other legacy carriers. A friend who flies for AA told me that the hourly pay rate of AA pilots flying 737s is less than WN's hourly pay.



User currently offlineKKMolokai From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 760 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5129 times:

There is no imminent danger of AA filing for bankruptcy. AA currently has 3 billion in cash on hand. They're also expanding service, enhancing First Class meal service, and raises across the board are coming in May.

Hardly sounds like a United or USAirways, if you ask me ...

Sure, the rise in fuel costs will be felt, but then again, aren't we all feeling it when we head to the pump?



We are the people of American Airlines. And we know why you fly.
User currently offlineBH346 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3265 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5096 times:

"This is great news for all consumers and LCC!"
Not for smaller cities that are offered connections worldwide on American or some even smaller ones that rely on them for just having air service offered to them. Not to mention those communities can't sustain LCCs anyway.



Northwest Airlines - Some People Just Know How to Fly
User currently offlineWarren747sp From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5093 times:

What about cutting out UA and USAir.?


747SP
User currently offlineAa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3347 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5060 times:

This is great news for all consumers and LCC!

Also posted by Workbench:

4/22/03 It was already fairly likely AA would have failed since, since 9/11/01. Now since yesterday it is a fate sealed in stone. AA will likely be gone by this time next year. They may not even see 2002.

11/13/01 It was already fairly likely AA would have failed since, since 9/11/01. Now since yesterday it is a fate sealed in stone. AA will likely be gone by this time next year. They may not even see 2002.

AAndrew

Got the dates wrong -Edit



[Edited 2004-04-10 06:54:57]

User currently offlineQqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2266 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5000 times:

Workbench... I thought we successfully gagged you, but it looks like you've come back from shop class and have joined the forum again. It's nice to see your ignorant, uniformed responses back on a.net. As you can tell, we're all thrilled to see you commenting about AA again. Perhaps class will begin again soon and we can leave the forum to more insightful responses, my own included.


The views expressed are mine alone and do not necessarily reflect my employer’s views.
User currently offlineBig777jet From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4971 times:

Workbench-

Why are you so negative about American Airlines? Every time I see your post is so negative about American Airlines. You always want to have bankruptcy for them. You shouldn't talk like this. Everyone in A.Net doesn't like your comments. You'd better be quiet and get a life. How do you feel if we talk about your favorite airline to be turn down bankruptcy? Eh? We don't do that!

Big777jet





User currently offlineWorkbench From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4929 times:

Actually I am 18 now, have not updated profile. AA is finally getting a taste of its own medicine. Look at the airlines AA foreced out of business, EA, PA, Vanguard, WestPac, National. Now everyone is comming to AA's defense?
The average airline employee (except pilots and mechanics) is no more skilled or talented than a burger flipper at Mc Donalds. They could just get another job somewhere. I mean come on, does a ticket agent really need to make $20 an hour?????? The ticket agents at the movie theater make around $7.

I hate AA cause their service sucks for the price they charge! I mean come on over $1000 to fly SFOBOS???? WTF????


User currently offlineAAJAXFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4889 times:

I mean come on, does a ticket agent really need to make $20 an hour?????? The ticket agents at the movie theater make around $7.

Most of what you've said is so ignorant that I doubt even the most detailed explanatory response would change your mind. Your level of ignorance is hard to overcome... perhaps it's genetic.

Without shooting holes in your numbers about ticket agent pay...
Tell me the last time a movie theater ticket seller did the following:
-Lifted overweight bags.
-Had to learn an extremely complex computer reservations system.
-Ticketed complex around the world itineraries.
-Worked on reroutes and provided hotel and meal accommodations.
-Any of the additional functions performed by agents at smaller stations who also handle the aircraft at the gate and on the ramp in addition to the front end.

Movie theater ticket seller just counts back change, pushes a button or two, and maybe slides a credit card if they're lucky.


User currently offlineAIR757200 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1579 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4825 times:


They could just get another job somewhere. I mean come on, does a ticket agent really need to make $20 an hour??????

First of all, what are you talking about?

What new hire agent is making $20.00/hr, please state what airline, Workbench. Check your facts. At AA, it takes 11 years to max-out. Starting pay is usually $9.00-$11.00 at the majors. That's in-line with many other industries.


User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4801 times:

Workbench:

Did someone from AA burn your house down or something? Because that's the only thing I can come up with that would explain your hatred of AA.

As for your claim that AA forced EA, PA, Vanguard, WestPac and National out of business please provide some proof of this. For some reason I think you can't.


25 AA787 : They could just get another job somewhere If people could just get a job that easily...please explain why thousands of people in this country are unem
26 Ultrapig : Presumably the same number of people will fly with or without AA. If A goes out of business the other airlines will benefit. If US or UA fold first AA
27 Blink182 : Workbench, Let's get things straight, AA did not force PA out of business. PA had been in bankruptcy for I believe(please correct PA fans) since the m
28 Qqflyboy : Back to the thread... I didn't take from the release that AA would be cutting service anywhere, but rather, performing more cost cuts.Things like usin
29 Thrust : This could be trouble for STL...only this time AA might take the entire mainline fleet out of there...hope that does NOT happen, we've already suffere
30 Atrude777 : Thrust- I agree, I have a big feeling STL will be involved in these cost cuts, no matter the type it is. I doubt they would go that far by taking the
31 Yyz717 : And the pilots never got the pay raise that UA and DL pilots got prior to September 11th, so their pay scale is very low, relative to other legacy car
32 Atcboy73 : I don't know how lease or union agreements would play into this situation but here are some thoughts. Sell or lease the SF340 fleet to an independent
33 Milemaster : While I'm not the biggest fan of AA, you cannot deny that it's nothing short of amazing what they have accomplished over the past 2 years. While UA, U
34 Ual777contrail : Workbench, If anybody help put the final nail in west pacs coffin it was ual, they hubbed in COS and tried to go toe to toe with ual in DEN. Ed had th
35 AAJAXFlyer : Sell or lease the SF340 fleet to an independent operator and then code share with that operator, thus maintaining the cities that can only support th
36 Uaord : AA's issue is not its fleet, it is labor like the rest of the airlines. I have no sympathy for the unions, they are eating the hand that feeds themsel
37 Atcboy73 : I hate to see people loose jobs and I hate to see people take pay cuts. I also hate to see people get replaced by technology. But the kiosks are an aw
38 Thrust : I certainly hope AA doesn't go down. For me, it's double the pain, because along with the downfall of AA will be the complete destruction of TWA, just
39 Post contains images LambertMan : While I do think the cuts will come at an expense to STL, I don't think it will be vast because A. It's apparently performing very well, I don't get h
40 ConcordeBoy : If people could just get a job that easily...please explain why thousands of people in this country are unemployed! Not to digress, but the answer is
41 LMP737 : "It is nice to finally see more check-in kiosks at the airports, this technology has been around for ever yet how come it has taken so long for airlin
42 Qqflyboy : I am still surprised that everyone is focusing on flight cuts rather than expenditures. I personally don't think there will be any further cuts other
43 Uaord : True the gate agents might be non-union members however the union still controls a vast majority of how the airlines operate and what jobs will be rep
44 Tekelberry : Actually I am 18 now, have not updated profile. AA is finally getting a taste of its own medicine. Look at the airlines AA foreced out of business, EA
45 BR715-A1-30 : Workbench, I used to hate AA just like you, but then I opened my eyes, and saw what good they do the economy. Think about a world without AA, DFW woul
46 Workbench : Actually the carriers that have their act together such as B6, WN, HP, FL, F9 are all doing very well. It is only because of the majors own stupidity
47 Tekelberry : Actually the carriers that have their act together such as B6, WN, HP, FL, F9 are all doing very well. It is only because of the majors own stupidity
48 Ltbewr : AA and other airlines should consider cuts like this: I have wondered why may airlines operate some flights, on certain days to/from certain points wh
49 Ncflyer : ltbewr, you are on to some thing. CO is the only airline I'm aware of that severly cuts down schedules some days of the week. Here at CLE, the Sat. sc
50 AA787 : Workbench- I would love to hear you respond to a non-AA thread. Maybe then I can call you an aviation enthusiast. However, until them I just will say
51 Qqflyboy : All airlines have signigicantly reduced schedules on Saturdays during the late afternoon and evening. Some schedules are lean early Sunday mornings, w
52 MAH4546 : AA and other airlines should consider cuts like this: I have wondered why may airlines operate some flights, on certain days to/from certain points wh
53 Post contains images SevenHeavy : Maybe I'm missing something. ? I was under the impression that this website and the forum's within it exist so that airline/aircraft enthusiasts can
54 Boeing nut : Workbench - if after this post you do still feel the need to slate AA then please try to drag up some facts that contain at least some substance of tr
55 Aaron747 : Why are people wasting their time responding to the ramblings of some kid's posts devoid of any semblance of intellectual function? Can't we just disc
56 Bobs89irocz : Yeap, my father works at AA. They have started the laying off already. Quite abit of maintnance people are going out the door. However, AA CAN get bac
57 LMP737 : Uaord: You're grasping at straws. What does the pilots, FA, and mechanics union at AA care about self service kiosks? In the end they have no say on h
58 Aa717driver : Last year, AA management decided they could support an infrastructure that depended on a 30% revenue premium over the LCC's. To me, that is the line i
59 Yyz717 : The unionized employees(until Mar. 1, I was one) are not inclined to give more(thanks Don!) because of the senior management retirement fiasco last ye
60 Planemaker : It looks like AE pilots don't agree with the topic... American Eagle pilots look for better wages, work rules Darren Shannon, Washington DC (12Apr04)
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