Aguilo From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 243 posts, RR: 0 Posted (9 years 8 months 17 hours ago) and read 3997 times:
I hate it when its the end of the day and the pilot lands, has plenty of runway still to go but doesn't want to go all the way to the end so he becomes DETERMINED to make the first turnoff off the runway so he SLAMS on the brakes almost putting you through the seat in front in the process!
Then he usually does about a 50mph taxi to the gate as well!
Funny how those are always the late night arrivals where it seems to happen most...
Futureualpilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2589 posts, RR: 8 Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 17 hours ago) and read 3956 times:
There could be other reasons, clearing for inbound traffic and such. I dont think they would do anything out of the usual to shave a minuet or two off taxi time. How would you know if there is plenty of runway left if you arent the pilots? Just a guess?
Tekelberry From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1459 posts, RR: 4 Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 17 hours ago) and read 3927 times:
Many other factors involved...
Basically, the pilot does anything the ATC wants them to. If ATC wants them to roll to the end, he/she will. The ATC can also request them to make a certain turn-off. Other factors could include which taxiway will get you to the terminal the quickest.
Mriya From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 129 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 17 hours ago) and read 3916 times:
Hey now, some people happen to love the rougher rides! So long as everyone arrives in mostly one piece or better, what's the harm? It even leads to humorous situations- on my Malev flight from AMS to BUD, we hit a respectable about of turbulence. It wasn't the worst (for me, best) turbulence I've ever experienced, but it was quite a ride, and there were people in the back yelping in fear.. I did feel a bit bad for them since many people do have a strong fear of flight, but it was entertaining for me
I think being a rollercoaster fanatic has made an impression on what makes a good flight for me.
Currently not active in aviation photography or this site. Thank you for your interest.
Aguilo From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 243 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 16 hours ago) and read 3868 times:
I could tell there was more runway left because its often an airport I'm familiar with and recognize the landmarks, also you can see how much runway you had left when you turn off onto the taxiway.
I must say though, I do think this is often more the case of a pilot that wants to get home quick, not ATC instructions. I don't think ATC would clear you to land if you couldn't use the whole runway for one thing. Also, tonight I was doing some spotting at CMH - not an especially busy airport and noticed that every a/c went to the end of the runway except for one guy in a DL ERJ145 who touched down hit the thrust reversers at full and almost immediately turned off via a turnoff that was right in front of me and very close to the DL gates, whereas all the other DL and other carriers were rolling to the end and then taking their time coming back to the gate area.
Philsquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 16 hours ago) and read 3786 times:
I know every landing I make, I will try to turn off prior to the end of the runway. In general, the quicker you're off the runway, the smoother the flow of traffic is. I can tell you, if you land at LAX and plan on taking it to the end, you will spend some time in the "penalty box". I have seen it happen!
As far as watching the traffic at CMH, unless you had some type of radio to monitor the tower freq, you don't know the whole story.
Plus, just because it's a late night flight, that crew might have another 2-3 days flying to look forward to. They could be just going to another layover.
Finally, remember, we get paid from block out to block in, scheduled or actual which ever is greater.
Aguilo From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 243 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 15 hours ago) and read 3739 times:
Philsquares: 2 questions:
1) I didn't have a scanner, but there was no other incoming traffic for quite a while after that ERJ landed. CMH is not a busy airport so why would the tower have told only this one a/c to turn off so quickly? Even if crews are paid for the greater of scheduled or actual time, if you've been flying all day I would imagine that the guy up front want to park that thing and get to the hotel?
2) Can you tell us more about getting the penalty box treatment at LAX for insisting to go all the way to the end? Is it really such a big deal for ATC that you roll to the end that they will remeber who you were and make note to delay your departure? Isn't it the pilot that determines when it is safe for him to turn off?
Philsquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 15 hours ago) and read 3667 times:
1) I normally only fly one leg/day, but it's a 12-14 hour leg. So, yes I want to get to the hotel. However, I don't do things that might put the passengers or the aircraft at risk. In the bigger scheme of things, +-5 minutes won't make any difference at all. It's just not worth it at all. Plus, we can't leave until all the passengers are off the aircraft. So in my case it's just over 400. That takes a while.
2) With respect to LAX, the penalty box is down at the western edge of the airport. If you do something ATC doesn't expect, like take it to the end without advising them, after you clear the runway ATC will direct you to a certain location on the airport ie, the penalty box. You will sit there for a certain period of time. I do remember watching that exact thing happen to a China Airlines -400. He was kept there for almost 1/2 hour.
You are correct, in that it's up to the PIC to determine when it's safe to make the taxiway turn. However, ATC has a good idea of the stopping characteristics of each aircraft. If you need the whole runway all you have to do is advise tower. But absent any word from you, they expect you to vacate the runway at the first high speed you can make.
Aguilo From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 243 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 14 hours ago) and read 3610 times:
Wow - so once you get your penalty box assignment at the end of the runway how does ATC justify it?
Wouldn't the pilot respond to being sent to the penalty box by saying:
"And..why the *expletive* am I waiting all the way down here you SOBs?!?!"
Is this an LAX specific thing by the way?
Do geo-politics ever play a roll in these types of "penalties" by the Tower? You mentioned this was a China Air 744 - might this have been aronud the time of the EP3 emergency landing in a Chinese air base back in 2000? Might Air France have "coincidentally" had a few penalty box assignments around the time that France was resisting the US in the UN on Iraq?
(BTW: I know no pilot would put people or plane at risk to save 5 minutes, but my original comment only mentioned that it seemed that sometimes pilots (usually regionals who have been flying short hops all day) tend to step on the brakes harder than normal on the last flight of the day)
AirSean From Australia, joined Apr 2004, 76 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 13 hours ago) and read 3545 times:
A bit of topic but a funny story nonetheless. Was in the jumpseat a few years ago having just landed in MEL and taxiing to the terminal when an oppositon aircraft was taxiing out to takeoff....with full lights on!
The pilot on my aircraft wasn't too chuffed at this and flicked his lights at the other aircraft who promptly switched his off!
Felt like i was in a taxi from the airport not in a plane at the airport!
Philsquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 12 hours ago) and read 3526 times:
No, ATC does not have to justify anything and in reality, no pilot will say a word about any penalty box assignment. Usually, the easiest thing to do is just send an ACARS message to the company and have them work things out.
FYI, China Airlines is Taiwan, so the EP-3 incident wouldn't have made any difference at all. Geopolitics really don't play a part in things. If you mess up, you pay the price.