BCAInfoSys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2527 times:
I was just thinking that AirTran's new 737s should be coming online soon and I was wondering when we will see them start service to SEA. I for one would LOVE to see them there, we could use a new airline to brighten things up a little bit!
So how long do you guys think it'll be before they start service up our way?
JayDavis From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2000 posts, RR: 17 Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2479 times:
As soon as we announce it, you'll be the first to know Steve !!
Leneld From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 606 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2472 times:
AirStatDFW From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 364 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2417 times:
Jay
Do you know when they will be announcing more service out of DFW?
Usairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3097 posts, RR: 8 Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2374 times:
I've heard that DFW service won't be added as quick as Airtran planned. gradual expansion is what i've heard rather than adding another dozen flts and a few more destinations by the summer.
Travatl From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2172 posts, RR: 11 Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2361 times:
Both PHX and SEA should be on the AirTran route map by Xmas 2005.
Leneld From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 606 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2336 times:
Travatl From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2172 posts, RR: 11 Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2334 times:
Haven't heard a thing about PDX.... hear SAN and maybe SLC, but I think that's about it for more longrange in the next 18 months or so.....
Midway2airtran From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 864 posts, RR: 2 Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2160 times:
I would like to see it happen in the near future, it should be a great market to introduce the AirTran product to in the Northwest.
M404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2214 posts, RR: 5 Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2086 times:
Their was another thread on here this week about WN in SEA and the assumption that they were unhappy with the fare structure there. It was said the WN was looking to scale down the operation.
If this is true I'm wondering if Air Tran can make it when WN can't. Yes, Yes, I know this all based on rumors but possibly some insight can be found here???
Less sarcasm and more thought equal better understanding
Doug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3163 posts, RR: 4 Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2080 times:
M404- a little confused. Do you mean the airport fee structure?
LN-MOW From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1896 posts, RR: 15 Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2030 times:
WN is unhappy with the cost of operating to SEA - along with the rest of us. Property- landing- and parkingfees are going through the roof.
I'm sure some carriers are evaluating their numbers and if they come down unfavourable, there may be some changes in their SEA operations ... This may also be a contributing factor to the fact that there has been no new airlines to Sea-Tac since Vanguard in 2002.
WN was rumoured to be in talks with BFI for possible operation out of there, but unless BFI does a major upgrade of their facilities this is not going to happen.
Bronko From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 805 posts, RR: 12 Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2018 times:
I am not the first to say it, but I just don't think there is physically enough space to handle Southwest at BFI.
Wedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5527 posts, RR: 5 Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1940 times:
I think service to SEA is imminent, but Air Tran will have take delivery of a few more 73G's to make it work. I'm sure PDX is a natural also, but it will take time.
Cessna172RG From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 744 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1916 times:
Southwest at Boeing Field...that would be interesting to say the least...but...is it even possible, let alone, in the cards? I suppose it could start a trend for scheduled airlines to operate out of BFI instead of SEA, which I'm all for, but...is it worth it? I think that it would cost TONS of money for BFI to build a modern terminal with baggage handling, security, the whole ten yards, and more.
Ctbarnes From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3491 posts, RR: 52 Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1852 times:
BFI would be a mixed bag. The airfield is located in South Seattle in the industrial area, and the northerly approach is over Puget Sound, so noise would not be such an issue.
Two even bigger problems are access and facilities. There is a terminal, but it is extremely small, with no jetways, meaning they would have to do some big time expansion and remodeling in order to make it usable for a major airline.
In terms of access, the terminal is on Airport Way South, a 2 lane highway that basically serves as a frontage road for Interstate 5. Without major improvements, the congestion would render BFI totally unusable. Worse still, the County (owners of BFI) are cash strapped right now and probably not be able to afford much in the way of inducements.
I guess the only way WN can address the high costs at SEA is to try and negotiate better rates. They are a major presence and should, one would think, have a certain degree of clout.
Charles, SJ
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Canoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2657 posts, RR: 12 Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1812 times:
We got a little off topic, however first I haven't heard anything about AirTran starting service at SEA. This is not surprising given that when National started, there was very little warning. About a month before service started, the Port made some ticket counter space for them. They surely could fly here, while DL has a number of flights to SEA from ATL, it isn't saturated. I'm not sure about any codeshare, if any, agreements FL has, but DL does profit with the alliance they have with HA and other airlines here. I personally don't think we'll see FL here soon.
As for BFI, WN isn't the only airline that has mentioned moving from SEA. WN's operation in SEA is modest at around 35-40 flights a day, meaning that you rarely see more than 6 planes on the ground at the same time during the day. They do RON, I'm guessing around 10 planes for first flights. So, BFI has the ramp storage for the planes, but terminal improvements would be cost prohibitive at BFI. Also, some people fly QX or AS from other airports, then switch to WN in SEA. This would not happen at BFI. There is a long term parking issue as well.
The point of both of these is that the Port of SEA has high operating costs, mainly due to increased fees to fund the expansion projects. WN operated on a month to month contract with them until just recently, because the POS just assumed they would sign any operating contract they put in front of WN. This attitude hurts the airport, because a new carrier would run into the same problems when starting service. It is expensive to have a small operation here.
Elwood64151 From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2477 posts, RR: 7 Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 days ago) and read 1773 times:
AirTran has specifically stated that there will be no new destinations this year. Look for an announcement at the end of this year or early next about FL starting service to SEA mid-spring, possibly late winter/early spring, as well as some other destinations through early summer.
That's my expectation, and I think the expectations of just about everyone intensely watching FL.
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