BCAInfoSys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3785 times:
I was just thinking that AirTran's new 737s should be coming online soon and I was wondering when we will see them start service to SEA. I for one would LOVE to see them there, we could use a new airline to brighten things up a little bit!
So how long do you guys think it'll be before they start service up our way?
LN-MOW From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1908 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3288 times:
WN is unhappy with the cost of operating to SEA - along with the rest of us. Property- landing- and parkingfees are going through the roof.
I'm sure some carriers are evaluating their numbers and if they come down unfavourable, there may be some changes in their SEA operations ... This may also be a contributing factor to the fact that there has been no new airlines to Sea-Tac since Vanguard in 2002.
WN was rumoured to be in talks with BFI for possible operation out of there, but unless BFI does a major upgrade of their facilities this is not going to happen.
Cessna172RG From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3174 times:
Southwest at Boeing Field...that would be interesting to say the least...but...is it even possible, let alone, in the cards? I suppose it could start a trend for scheduled airlines to operate out of BFI instead of SEA, which I'm all for, but...is it worth it? I think that it would cost TONS of money for BFI to build a modern terminal with baggage handling, security, the whole ten yards, and more.
Ctbarnes From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3491 posts, RR: 50
Reply 18, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3110 times:
BFI would be a mixed bag. The airfield is located in South Seattle in the industrial area, and the northerly approach is over Puget Sound, so noise would not be such an issue.
Two even bigger problems are access and facilities. There is a terminal, but it is extremely small, with no jetways, meaning they would have to do some big time expansion and remodeling in order to make it usable for a major airline.
In terms of access, the terminal is on Airport Way South, a 2 lane highway that basically serves as a frontage road for Interstate 5. Without major improvements, the congestion would render BFI totally unusable. Worse still, the County (owners of BFI) are cash strapped right now and probably not be able to afford much in the way of inducements.
I guess the only way WN can address the high costs at SEA is to try and negotiate better rates. They are a major presence and should, one would think, have a certain degree of clout.
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Canoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2843 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3070 times:
We got a little off topic, however first I haven't heard anything about AirTran starting service at SEA. This is not surprising given that when National started, there was very little warning. About a month before service started, the Port made some ticket counter space for them. They surely could fly here, while DL has a number of flights to SEA from ATL, it isn't saturated. I'm not sure about any codeshare, if any, agreements FL has, but DL does profit with the alliance they have with HA and other airlines here. I personally don't think we'll see FL here soon.
As for BFI, WN isn't the only airline that has mentioned moving from SEA. WN's operation in SEA is modest at around 35-40 flights a day, meaning that you rarely see more than 6 planes on the ground at the same time during the day. They do RON, I'm guessing around 10 planes for first flights. So, BFI has the ramp storage for the planes, but terminal improvements would be cost prohibitive at BFI. Also, some people fly QX or AS from other airports, then switch to WN in SEA. This would not happen at BFI. There is a long term parking issue as well.
The point of both of these is that the Port of SEA has high operating costs, mainly due to increased fees to fund the expansion projects. WN operated on a month to month contract with them until just recently, because the POS just assumed they would sign any operating contract they put in front of WN. This attitude hurts the airport, because a new carrier would run into the same problems when starting service. It is expensive to have a small operation here.
Elwood64151 From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2477 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3031 times:
AirTran has specifically stated that there will be no new destinations this year. Look for an announcement at the end of this year or early next about FL starting service to SEA mid-spring, possibly late winter/early spring, as well as some other destinations through early summer.
That's my expectation, and I think the expectations of just about everyone intensely watching FL.
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